Queen bee info.

[Finman]

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Losses of mating queens was interesting, how big it was in the research. About 20%. Drifting to another nucs was interesting too.

 

[oliver90owner]

Agreed, Finman, those who try to make out what one might write as something very different.

I do believe I used the word ‘normally’, but that does not seem to count with some tunnel vision readers.

Let me reiterate, more directly, that the temperature where the queen leaves the hive is not necessarily the same air temperature as that where the drones congregate.

Simple enough, really, but hard for some to understand that beekeeping is not a craft where 0.1 of a degree is that important, that bees does not read the actual calender date, etc, etc.

Then they complain when their rubbish is challenged. Thin skin, by the sounds of it. Using that as an excuse for their shortcomings, or as a defence for their stance of quoting that they rarely get suitable optimum mating temperatures in the drone congregation areas, without actually measuring those temperatures. Seems a very poor defence, to me.

Accepting that local temperatures may not be the same as those quoted by the met office, or even measured in the apiary, might be a better response for the benefit of all those new beeks out there. It might reduce the amount of mystery that surrounds beekeeping.

 

[Beefriendly]

As I will still maintain and science studies back up, virgin queens can and do get mated at temperatures less than 20C.
Olly you seem to be back tracking at "normally"....Are you now agreeing with me that virgin queens can get mated at temperatures less than 20C....which is what I said originally!!!!
I also have no need to lower myself to gutter level by using thinly disguised insults designed to impugn the posters integrity either.

 

[Finman]

As I will still maintain and science studies back up, virgin queens can and do get mated at temperatures less than 20C.
Olly you seem to be back tracking at "normally"....Are you now agreeing with me that virgin queens can get mated at temperatures less than 20C....which is what I said originally!!!!
I also have no need to lower myself to gutter level by using thinly disguised insults designed to impugn the posters integrity either.

Oh dear... 20C is good temperature, where all virgins mate. What idea is to debate about lowest temp, where first virgin start to lay. Very strange. This is not "who is first competition".

When I see that temp level is 18 during one week, I do not expect much.
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Another thing is, is the temp during one your or 5 hours.... I cannot help it.

 

[oliver90owner]

I wrote “the usual requirement being around 20 degrees).

I don’t recall ever saying queens will not mate at less than 20 degrees Celcius.

It was you that claimed every queen over three weeks from emergence would go unmated.

What you said was different. You said your temps were much lower - and that is what I disputed. You have shown no evidence at all of the actual local air temperatures in the drone congregation areas.

I might suggest you need to go back to school and start learning how not to dig yourself into a deeper hole and to learn how to read properly.

 

[Beefriendly]

I only claimed that queens can and did get mated at temperatures less than 20C, but agreed 20 (or more) was better. I did not state (as you seem to imply) that they ONLY got mated at temperatures LESS than 20C.
The only mistake I made was saying three weeks from emergence, that should have been approx three weeks after maturation under normal circumstances.

As for you requiring the temperatures in our local DCA, presumably with photographic evidence of queens getting mated at that time....you're taking the micturation.
I'll still maintain that virgin queens can and do get mated in temperatures less than the ideal 20C.
Do you agree with the above statement or not.
Simple yes or no will do.

 

[Uncle Betty]

p. 948

"Your queens are not looser than my queens."

"Oh yes, they are."

"Oh no, they're not."


Et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseam.

 

[For want of a better word]

What is a DCA?
How do I get my baby queens to one?
How do you know it is warm enough for them when they get there?

My baby queens seem to get mated OK around the hives, I did not think that the boy bees would have to go very far to find a baby queen if they were looking for one.
I know that the monk up the road from me used places where only his bees were to get baby bee mated with the boy bees he wanted.

I think some of the posters here are more about bragging how clever the writer is rather than beekeeping, no point in getting abusive.
I wondered why the hundreds of beekeeping forum members do not join in?

 

[Poly Hive]

DCA = Drone congregation Area.

Please use the terminology we are all familiar with, as in Virgins and Drones and Mated Queens as it does make it easier all round.

I suspect the vast majority joined looked and left.

PH

 

[Millet]

DCA = Drone congregation Area.

Please use the terminology we are all familiar with, as in Virgins and Drones and Mated Queens as it does make it easier all round.

I suspect the vast majority joined looked and left.

PH

I suspect the fellow in question knows what he is doing and is messing about..

 

[For want of a better word]

I suspect the fellow in question knows what he is doing and is messing about..

Years of teaching infants!

 

[For want of a better word]

 

[Beefriendly]

Years of teaching infants!

Nope, years of teaching academics...although I suspect not very different.

 

[Millet]

Nope, years of teaching academics...although I suspect not very different.

Just in case of any confusion on my behalf or yours i was not meaning you..

 

[Finman]

Years of teaching infants!

Lactating academy?
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[For want of a better word]

Nope, years of teaching academics...although I suspect not very different.

Yes, they have a large empty space between their ears.

It has been said that those that can not do, teach.

And

Those who can not teach, teach teachers.

 

[For want of a better word]

Lactating academy?
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Most are weaned before we get them.
Many are nappy trained.
A few do not speak English.
Margaret Thatcher took away the free milk in her reign as Education Minister.

 

[Millet]

Most are weaned before we get them.
Many are nappy trained.
A few do not speak English.
Margaret Thatcher took away the free milk in her reign as Education Minister.

 

[eltalia]

DCA = Drone congregation Area.

Please use the terminology we are all familiar with, as in Virgins and Drones and
Mated Queens as it does make it easier all round.

I suspect the vast majority joined looked and left.

PH

DCA ?
Just what is one looking for in locating this specific group of bees?

Never had a need to study the mating regimes for EHB (Apis.m.*) I have recently (months)
read much (online) as to the existence of the 'Mens Lodge' to remain puzzled as to why it
is I have never noticed such a gathering, anywhere.
What am I looking for..?.. a formation of drones flyin' in the ruler and protractor formation,
or drones gathered around the cups of fermenting eurodia(corkwood) brackets?
Something else not so obvious?

Bill

 

[Finman]

DCA ?

is I have never noticed such a gathering, anywhere.
What am I looking for..?.. a formation of drones flying
Bill

At least I cannot see them, even if some beekeepers can see virgin to fly in air. Sometimes I hear extra humming in air. I cannot help them to find my queens. Or queen find the drones.
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