Poison or CBPV ?

[wightbees]

What would you say about this? This is the only colony so far at my main site with these symptoms! It's happened very quick, from ok to what you seen in one week!
Would really appreciate feed back here, cheers..

Picture at hive entrance

 

[wightbees]

The bees effected were doppy and shivering?

 

[Erichalfbee]

I've never seen cbpv.....yet .....but I have seen poisoned bees. They have their proboscis out.

 

[wightbees]

I'll have a better look at the photo and see how they are tomorrow. Really not liking this though, never seen anything like it!

 

[Millet]

I would be filling my undies if i seen that, come on experienced folk offer advice.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Usually with a poisoning the bees are scattered over a large area, with CBPV those outside are found piled up just under the entrance.

Looking at the photo some of the bees have a shiny appearance and a couple of the darker ones look like they are being mauled about by other bees, are these darker bees trembling/shaking, are any other bees on the combs being mauled around by other bees and doing what looks like a disorientated waggle dance...if so, it looks more likely to be CBPV.

 

[Michael Palmer]

Odd that the pile has drones in it. You'd think with a poisoning, they wouldn't. Also, I've seen cbpv several times, and never saw any drones among the dying bees.

 

[Fritillary]

I've only had one colony which went down fast, at this time of year in poor weather, and it did look, outside, very similar to your photo, I'm sad to say. In my case the dead and dying bees looked perfect, young and fluffy, but were v slow and trembly. - I thought at first perhaps they were starving and rushed to feed them.

I've never seen poisoning. Have any beekeeping neighbours had a similar problem? (Thinking poisoning.) Assume your bees have stores in there. Could you ask your seasonal bee inspector to take a look, if there's no-one known to you and local who's had experience of CBPV? You could email them your photo - ?

I am sorry. It's horrible to see something like this.

 

[maddydog]

In the first picture at the bottom right hand corner is a bee on a leaf. Looks like cbpv to me

 

[wightbees]

We don't actually have a inspector, the last iwbka said. I'm thinking CBPV and will do what I can but keep a close eye on things, not much else I can do really?
Thank you all for feed back

 

[Fritillary]

I can only say that if it were me, and I really did think it was CBPV again, I'd shake out the bees (see the 'spray poisoning' thread which John Gilberdyke reminded us of the other day). Ideally placing the combs into a fresh hive, if I had one, so that their current one could be treated with virucide. And make sure the bees have space and food - with Hivemaker's thymolated syrup recipe.

 

[wightbees]

Hi, up to my neck in it right now! Sometimes things just all go wrong at once! Does thymolated syrup recipe help with CBPV at all? They have plenty of space already.. I'm just hoping it's only this colony that suffers? Lucky the Bee inspector has arrange visit next week, so I'm hoping they give me a good idea to what is going on.

 

[JWF]

I have an issue on one of my hives which the consensus was that it was like to be CBPV.

Are any of your bees walking around like this one in the video?

https://streamable.com/yjfye

 

[wightbees]

I have just looked at my phone video and it's the same. Would that mean it's CBPV?

 

[enrico]

I would imagine it is one of the two choices you have given but......just in case, check under the OMF. Sometimes you can get large clusters of bees hanging underneath where they have missed the hive entrance. They slowly starve and as the nights get cooler they start to drop in quite large numbers onto the grass. They are too weak to fly back. They wander about aimlessly until they die. Probably not.....but worth a check.
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[wightbees]

Bee Inspector has given me confirmation that this IS (CBPV)
Also take note of the video link given in this thread, it might shed light for future Reference.

Action being taken is move whole hive a good distance away from it's original stand. ( 20 meters for me )
Put new hive in its place with cage Queen ( temp)
Go to old hive and shake into the air,Not towards the floor, each frame of bees. Make sure Every Bee is off the frame! Then replace frame into new hive on original stand.
Do this shaking into the air ,of every frame. Removing Every Bee!
The idea is flying bees will return to the hive and CBPV bees will die on the floor where you shook them off frames. Too far to get back to hive ( make sure you are away from all hives when choosing shaking location)
Yes some nurse bees will be lost but it can't be helped.
I have researched this and read Chris has done this with good results.

 

[MuswellMetro]

Bee Inspector has given me confirmation that this IS (CBPV)
Also take note of the video link given in this thread, it might shed light for future Reference.

Action being taken is move whole hive a good distance away from it's original stand. ( 20 meters for me )
Put new hive in its place with cage Queen ( temp)
Go to old hive and shake into the air,Not towards the floor, each frame of bees. Make sure Every Bee is off the frame! Then replace frame into new hive on original stand.
Do this shaking into the air ,of every frame. Removing Every Bee!
The idea is flying bees will return to the hive and CBPV bees will die on the floor where you shook them off frames. Too far to get back to hive ( make sure you are away from all hives when choosing shaking location)
Yes some nurse bees will be lost but it can't be helped.
I have researched this and read Chris has done this with good results.

So you have what was thought to be in the 1930 Isle of wight Diesease caused by Tracheal Mites though now thought to be CBPV by the the late Dr leslie Bailey of Rothamsted

 

[wightbees]

It would seem so MM , but it is ( hopefully) not out of control. It will be clearer in October.