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In our stories we have a special guy named Pikku-Kalle (Small Charles).

Once he was in shool and geography was goin on.

-Who comes to show America on map!
Pikku-Kalle whipped his hand eagerly
- ok, Kalle you show it

- Who found America?
- I found it myself shouted Kalle and started to cry
 
Dr S,

His post was directed at me. Three sentences. Three 'you's. Not so very subtle.

MandF,

He didnt specifically mention oxalic

And the title of the thread is...?

Do you think I am going to worry about a drop of 20 mites or even a few more? Sorry, but not even likely.
 
Finman

I'm sure you've seen the FERA Managing Varroa booklet and are aware that in 44 pages the only actual practical "guidance" given re use of organic acids is as follows:
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yes I have seen it. It is very unpractical and too perfect to be followed. Writers have had not balls to decide what to do. they have left the decision making to 2 hive owners. NZ booklet has the same style.

I know that your professionals does not neet it. As sooon as something new has been found inte world, professionals reviele it out to themselves and start to use it. Derfa has published letters for years what to do.

Original researshes can be found from internet , but not easily. But even if I give a link, very few is willing to read half page summary or conclusions. So, they want to "shoose their own way" but how?

Our varroa advice is two pages long. It works and honey flows. Mite does not deserve 44 pages.
Quite few in our beekeepers are able to read Enlish text. Internet does not help them. Under 1% of beekeepers use our forum.

Our main menthor wrote in the Finnish Beekeeping Magazine that he has got enough. He has written so much about varroa recipes during 8 years that he stops now. That guy is very clever and has over 500 hives. He is very practical and says clearly what is worth to do and what is not. (not allways).


have you ever heard about Benchmarking. It means that don't invent a wheel by yourself.
Reviele out the best methods and make them clear to yourself and use it.





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"His post was directed at me. Three sentences. Three 'you's. Not so very subtle."

Fair enough rab BUT i wouldn't necessarily take it personally. One of the problems with (? advantages of) the English language is that we do not/cannot distinguish between 2nd person singular and 2nd person plural in normal contexts.
 
"His post was directed at me. Three sentences. Three 'you's. Not so very subtle."

so it happens to you.

A Finnish is such that when he goes to the zoo, and he see an elephant, he think first: " . I wonder that what that elephant thinks about me".
 
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In our stories we have a special guy named Pikku-Kalle (Small Charles).

Once he was in shool and geography was goin on.

-Who comes to show America on map!
Pikku-Kalle whipped his hand eagerly
- ok, Kalle you show it

- Who found America?
- I found it myself shouted Kalle and started to cry

Excellent!! :rofl: :rofl:
 
Luminos,

Hard lesson to learn, but you will now know not to rely only on one particular check only. Same with controlling the mites - I don't rely on one 'winter' oxalic acid treatment to get them through the summer months, to the apiguard treatment after harvest.

My bees don't need any oxalic to get them through to the spring. They will get appropriate IPM controls throughout the summer - and not those expensive 'hive sanitisers', either.

I once bought two hived colonies with rampant varroa (at the right price, mind), just to free-up the apiary site. Lost at least one of them, but at least didn't have to worry about apistan strips being left in those hives all winter. I regularly check my colonies (not to see if they have varroa - I know they will) to estimate how heavy the infestation is.

You could try this next year. Collect a can-full (of nurse bees, mainly), roll them around with icing sugar and allow to stand, for a few minutes, over an OMF (or similar) grid, then allow them to run back into the hive over a white sheet. Compare the number of mites, left behind, with your other routine checks.

You may be surprised. Multiply up, to estimate the phoretic mites in the hive and then multiply that number by six to include all the rest (in the brood cells). By no means accurate, but may give you an indication of what you are looking for...

You might want to compare that figure with 'sugar dusting the hive frames' or whatever other checks you do (egs - natural mite drop checks, checking drone brood, even checking frames of bees for observable mites). It all helps to make you aware that any one check is not necessarily indicative of the true situation.

RAB

Thanks for this RAB. I will have a go at the "can of bees" next year when I get my new colony(s).

I hadn't routinely dusted icing sugar, but I used it along with Varroa-Gard when I noticed the DWV - desperate measures - until the brood slowed down enough for me to use OA (which never happened of course).

Additionally, I need to conquer my squeamishness about drone-brood culling...:(
 
Additionally, I need to conquer my squeamishness about drone-brood culling

Forking the brood from the frame?

I only fork out small areas and for checking. If a problem looks like arising, let them draw comb on the bottom of a smaller depth frame and then simpy junk the whole drone comb as soon as it is all capped (or at least before it starts to emerge). Costly in energy and bee-effort, but done and out of the way. Freeze kill, feed to birds, or into the bin.

You could do the same with a frame trap by forcing the queen to lay up single worker combs and then dumping that when capped. I made one but never used it - too wasteful on resources for me. Might be good if comb is at the end of it's service life.

Regards, RAB
 
Additionally, I need to conquer my squeamishness about drone-brood culling

Forking the brood from the frame?

I only fork out small areas and for checking. If a problem looks like arising, let them draw comb on the bottom of a smaller depth frame and then simpy junk the whole drone comb as soon as it is all capped (or at least before it starts to emerge). Costly in energy and bee-effort, but done and out of the way. Freeze kill, feed to birds, or into the bin.

You could do the same with a frame trap by forcing the queen to lay up single worker combs and then dumping that when capped. I made one but never used it - too wasteful on resources for me. Might be good if comb is at the end of it's service life.

Regards, RAB

Yes, forking drone brood...

I'm copying/pasting all this good info into my Bee folder so I don't forget it next year. I shall keep reminding myself that the drones will be evicted at the end of the season anyway.
And I'm sure my 2 remaining fox-outfoxing hens will not turn their beaks up at a drone-brood supper :)
 
Apologies for hijacking you thread, Max :(
 
Forkings? There were only three in my version of the nativity story.

(Above is an effort to add a bit of seasonal cheer - we still have mince pies left and had turkey soup for lunch, so Christmas it not over.)
 
A Finnish is such that when he goes to the zoo, and he see an elephant, he think first: " . I wonder that what that elephant thinks about me".

Then he realises he is looking in a mirror!
 
Forkings? There were only three in my version of the nativity story.

(Above is an effort to add a bit of seasonal cheer - we still have mince pies left and had turkey soup for lunch, so Christmas it not over.)

I thought it was an immaculate conception !
 
A Finnish is such that when he goes to the zoo, and he see an elephant, he think first: " . I wonder that what that elephant thinks about me".

Then he realises he is looking in a mirror!

buuuuuu. Try better. Höh hö höh

and another thing. Never try to explain a joke böööööö.
 
A Fin
Then he realises he is looking in a mirror!


but I got an Irish joke some years go.

The Irish like to eate pig heads. Hey are low price and head has much to eate.

A lady went to super market and she asked, what is price to that pig head?
- Oh dear lady. It is our only mirror :blush5:
 
Oxalic Result

Counted my mite drop this evening after treating on New Years Day . . . .
53 dead varroa mites but have replaced the board with a clean one to monitor for a further few days.
 
"have replaced the board with a clean one"

I'm sure the dead mites will appreciate that. don't want any complaints from the relatives do we. or articles in the press.
 
"have replaced the board with a clean one"

I'm sure the dead mites will appreciate that. don't want any complaints from the relatives do we. or articles in the press.

Lol, very witty but by the time I got home from work it was pitch black so it was just easier to swap the board so I could take the original one indoors to check in decent light. Also we're expecting high winds in my area tonight so I didn't want to miss the opportunity to see how the treatment was working.
 
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