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Ashley Moore

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Hello everyone,

I’m Ashley, I found an absolute bargain online late last year. I purchased a complete hive with x2 honey boxes, frames complete, stand, suit and all other equipment to get started. Never ever been used. £30 😳

I’m very new to Bees and hoping for some advice where to start? Lessons to do, clubs to join, Further equipment required etc.

I haven’t setup the hive yet due to winter, it’s currently sitting in storage but hoping to set it up April/May time.

All advice is welcomed. I’ve included a few images of what I have.

Thank you 😊

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That was a brilliant buy. Join the local beer keepers association and book a course for next year. It will give you some idea of what you ate letting yourself in for. It is a fun hobby but they are live animals so to speak and need to be treated properly. Buy a few good books. A very simple one is Bees at the bottom of the garden. But welcome anyway.
 
complete hive with x2 honey boxes
Welcome, Ashley.

Looks like you have a Smith hive in cedar (top quality, expensive) which is a top beespace hive with shorter frame lugs than the National. The lack of frame lug rebate (as necessary to allow for the long lugs of the National frame) results in shallow exterior hand-holds which make for awkward work when lifting heavy boxes.

The two boxes shown are brood boxes, so if that is all you have I suggest you prepare to buy honey supers - at least 3 - because a strong colony will use those two broods for the nest.

The bee brush and frame holder are particularly useless items: bees dislike hairy things and become agitated when caught in the hairs; use dry cow parsley or similar, or shake bees off frames.

The frame holder is another toy the suppliers sell to beginners and is a clumsy way to remove a frame. Keep your frame lugs reasonably clean during the season and learn to use the short lugs to pull frames from the box.

Best book for beginners:
https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/...WJb-c5S1mjsBn6aDapntKqiOtLpgFqn8aAv2VEALw_wcB

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/bs_smframes.html

https://www.thorne.co.uk/hives-and-...-assembled/smith-hive-complete-assembled.html
 
Welcome, Ashley.

Looks like you have a Smith hive in cedar (top quality, expensive) which is a top beespace hive with shorter frame lugs than the National. The lack of frame lug rebate (as necessary to allow for the long lugs of the National frame) results in shallow exterior hand-holds which make for awkward work when lifting heavy boxes.

The two boxes shown are brood boxes, so if that is all you have I suggest you prepare to buy honey supers - at least 3 - because a strong colony will use those two broods for the nest.

The bee brush and frame holder are particularly useless items: bees dislike hairy things and become agitated when caught in the hairs; use dry cow parsley or similar, or shake bees off frames.

The frame holder is another toy the suppliers sell to beginners and is a clumsy way to remove a frame. Keep your frame lugs reasonably clean during the season and learn to use the short lugs to pull frames from the box.

Best book for beginners:
https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/...WJb-c5S1mjsBn6aDapntKqiOtLpgFqn8aAv2VEALw_wcB

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/bs_smframes.html

https://www.thorne.co.uk/hives-and-...-assembled/smith-hive-complete-assembled.html
Thank you 😊
 
Welcome, Ashley.

Looks like you have a Smith hive in cedar (top quality, expensive) which is a top beespace hive with shorter frame lugs than the National. The lack of frame lug rebate (as necessary to allow for the long lugs of the National frame) results in shallow exterior hand-holds which make for awkward work when lifting heavy boxes.

The two boxes shown are brood boxes, so if that is all you have I suggest you prepare to buy honey supers - at least 3 - because a strong colony will use those two broods for the nest.

The bee brush and frame holder are particularly useless items: bees dislike hairy things and become agitated when caught in the hairs; use dry cow parsley or similar, or shake bees off frames.

The frame holder is another toy the suppliers sell to beginners and is a clumsy way to remove a frame. Keep your frame lugs reasonably clean during the season and learn to use the short lugs to pull frames from the box.

Best book for beginners:
https://www.worldofbooks.com/en-gb/...WJb-c5S1mjsBn6aDapntKqiOtLpgFqn8aAv2VEALw_wcB

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/bs_smframes.html

https://www.thorne.co.uk/hives-and-...-assembled/smith-hive-complete-assembled.html

Thank you for reply, I got x1 brood box and x2 honey supers, the first pictures shown looks like two broods 😂
 

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got x1 brood box and x2 honey supers
QX you have is the best that can be had: wood-framed, jointed, made by Lega in Italy. Remember to use it upside down, not as in the photo, or you will end up up with double beespace between top bars and QX. If you give double beespace it will be filled readily with brace comb. You will need another, to swap during colony checks when you won't have the time to clean the first.

Frames were assembled incorrectly because the gimp pins have been driven vertically through the top bar into the side bar. Correct method is to put two pins, one either side, horizontally through the side bar into the top bar.

If you imagine trying to lever up a stuck frame covered in bees and heavy with honey on a hot day in June, you will understand that vertical pins may pull out and lead to loss of temper (yours and the bees). Avoid that by adding a gimp pin horizontally either side; buy only Challenge 20mm gimps and use a 4oz cross pein hammer to fit them.

Each box will hold 12 frames; you have 10 and bees will fill with comb any space other than the standard 8mm beespace. Each box will need a dummy board, a false wall to close off any gap remaining: The box will just hold twelve Hoffman frames. However they will be very tight and the recommendation is to use eleven frames plus a spaced dummy board.
https://scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/TDS-number-6-smith-hive.pdf


Brood box: buy one more for colony expansion and another if your chosen swarm management technique is the standard Artificial Swarm; if you take that route, another stand, floor, crownboard, roof and set of frames will be needed. To save space, most of that kit and cash you could split vertically.

Supers: in a good year you will need four per colony, and even then may need to extract mid-season and give back the empties. Some colonies may need seven or more to accommodate a good flow. A lack of super space leads to congestion of brood areas with nectar, and as the queen will then have nowhere to lay, bees will swarm (you want to avoid that).

Flexibility in beekeeping is paramount and extra kit will give you management freedom, so gear up to spend once you have read the Haynes, done a beginners' course and got your head round the basics. You may recoup by selling your honey at top price, which will be easy, so don't fall into the trap of setting supermarket prices and giving it away.

Your local Seasonal Bee Inspector (contact details will be added in early season) is the very excellent Peter Folge, based North of you at Woolmer Green. Remember to register your apiary on Beebase.

PS: get a shed.
 
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QX you have is the best that can be had: wood-framed, jointed, made by Lega in Italy. Remember to use it upside down, not as in the photo, or you will end up up with double beespace between top bars and QX. If you give double beespace it will be filled readily with brace comb. You will need another, to swap during colony checks when you won't have the time to clean the first.

Frames have been assembled incorrectly because the gimp pins have been driven vertically through the top bar into the side bar. Correct method is to put two pins, one either side, horizontally through the side bar into the top bar.

If you imagine trying to lever up a stuck frame covered in bees and heavy with honey on a hot day in June, you will understand that vertical pins may pull out and lead to loss of temper (yours and the bees). Avoid that by adding a gimp pin horizontally either side; buy only Challenge 20mm gimps and use a 4oz cross pein hammer to fit them.

Each box will hold 12 frames; you have 10 and bees will fill with comb any space other than the standard 8mm beespace. Each box will need a dummy board, a false wall to close off any gap remaining: The box will just hold twelve Hoffman frames. However they will be very tight and the recommendation is to use eleven frames plus a spaced dummy board.
https://scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/TDS-number-6-smith-hive.pdf


Brood box: buy one more for colony expansion and another if your chosen swarm management technique is the standard Artificial Swarm; if you take that route, another stand, floor, crownboard, roof and set of frames will be needed. To save space, most of that kit and cash you could split vertically.

Supers: in a good year you will need four per colony, and even then may need to extract mid-season and give back the empties. Some colonies may need seven or more to accommodate a good flow. A lack of super space leads to congestion of brood areas with nectar, and as the queen will then have nowhere to lay, bees will swarm (you want to avoid that).

Flexibility in beekeeping is paramount and extra kit will give you management freedom, so gear up to spend once you have read the Haynes, done a beginners' course and got your head round the basics. You may recoup by selling your honey at top price, which will be easy, so don't fall into the trap of setting supermarket prices and giving it away.

Your local Seasonal Bee Inspector (contact details will be added in early season) is the very excellent Peter Folge, based North of you at Woolmer Green. Remember to register your apiary on Beebase.

PS: get a shed.
Thank you for all this information,

I will take it all onboard before the hive is in use.

😊
 

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