National v Deep - help please….

[Moobee]

Someone is offering up a full to the gills 14 x 12 nuc of bees as they have no more kit to house them in. I’m on standard nationals so if I took them, what would I need to bodge a standard brood box to accommodate the 14 x 12 deeper frames until I can move them onto standard deeps. I’ve googled this but can’t find an answer I trust so I thought someone here must have had to do this at some point!
Thanks in advance…..

 

[Ian123]

There’s extension kits sold by suppliers for a conversion or as in a previous thread recently cut down the frames.

 

[pargyle]

Someone is offering up a full to the gills 14 x 12 nuc of bees as they have no more kit to house them in. I’m on standard nationals so if I took them, what would I need to bodge a standard brood box to accommodate the 14 x 12 deeper frames until I can move them onto standard deeps. I’ve googled this but can’t find an answer I trust so I thought someone here must have had to do this at some point!
Thanks in advance…..

Stick a super on top of your national brood box .. hang the 14 x 12 frames in the super - the depth is near enough 14 x 12 to make little difference ... gets you out of a hole with kit you probably have.

 

[ericbeaumont]

someone here must have had to do this at some point

Yes, I gave up using 14x12 and went back to deeps by sawing off the bottom of all the frames after shaking off the bees.

It's dead easy and though you lose a little brood, the bits can be wedged into an empty frame with rubber bands for the bees to repair.

Was on a thread recently, but I can't find it.

 

[JamezF]

brood sheets

James

 

[Erichalfbee]

Someone is offering up a full to the gills 14 x 12 nuc of bees as they have no more kit to house them in. I’m on standard nationals so if I took them, what would I need to bodge a standard brood box to accommodate the 14 x 12 deeper frames until I can move them onto standard deeps. I’ve googled this but can’t find an answer I trust so I thought someone here must have had to do this at some point!
Thanks in advance…..

A deep floor and two supers will do it or add an apiguard eke on top of two supers

 

[Newbeeneil]

I made up 90mm deep ekes that I sat the standard brood boxes on when I wanted to run a few 14x12’s to support a customer.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

I made up 90mm deep ekes that I sat the standard brood boxes on when I wanted to run a few 14x12’s to support a customer.

My first bees were on 14 x 12 frames and came in a wooden nuc box that had been modified with a 90mm extension so I copied the idea and made up a similar extension to the bottom of a national brood box.

 

[Curly green finger's]

I made up 90mm deep ekes that I sat the standard brood boxes on when I wanted to run a few 14x12’s to support a customer.

I wondered what the extensions were for I found at work ,I’ve converted them into solid floors as I’m trying to get away from 14x12s .

 

[Parsonage Bees]

An eke of 3 1/2" should do it. Under as standard BB.

The Thorne catalogue has the dimensions of National frame parts. Standard brood frame side is 8 1/2". 14x12 frame side is 12 ". So 3 1/2" = 89mm.

OR Dave Cushman's site
"assume the box is exactly the same as the national super or brood box, but 165mm deeper than the super (149mm) and 89mm deeper than a standard brood box (225mm), making it 314mm deep."

 

[Moobee]

An eke of 3 1/2" should do it. Under as standard BB.

The Thorne catalogue has the dimensions of National frame parts. Standard brood frame side is 8 1/2". 14x12 frame side is 12 ". So 3 1/2" = 89mm.

OR Dave Cushman's site
"assume the box is exactly the same as the national super or brood box, but 165mm deeper than the super (149mm) and 89mm deeper than a standard brood box (225mm), making it 314mm deep."

Cheers, I was searching for the dimensions & forgot it was on Dave Cushmans site.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

My first bees were on 14 x 12 frames and came in a wooden nuc box that had been modified with a 90mm extension so I copied the idea and made up a similar extension to the bottom of a national brood box.

 

[Moobee]

Thanks everyone for the very useful replies. The person in question appears to have changed their mind and hasn’t replied to my polite enquiry either so I’m thinking too much aggravation….. at least I’ll know for the future.