Moving bees while doing an artificial swarm

[Angularity]

Artificial swarm methods seem to always include keeping both parts of the colony in the same location. I would think the the part of the colony with the nurse bees could be moved wherever you want, as they've never been outside the hive. Is this correct?

 

[Beefriendly]

Yes.
Moving the nurse bees away is part of the Pagden swarm control method.

 

[Millet]

Yes.
Moving the nurse bees away is part of the Pagden swarm control method.

But do we not move the nurse bees to the other side of the hive one week later to help repopulate the artificial swarm side to get the workforce stronger, for honey gathering purposes..

 

[drex]

It also weakens the parent colony further, lessening the swarm urge.

 

[Erichalfbee]

But do we not move the nurse bees to the other side of the hive one week later to help repopulate the artificial swarm side to get the workforce stronger, for honey gathering purposes..

Is that the prime purpose?
Or is it to weaken the parent colony if you have missed queen cells?

 

[Millet]

Is that the prime purpose?
Or is it to weaken the parent colony if you have missed queen cells?

Pagden Artificial swarm me dear or deer..

 

[For want of a better word]

Artificial swarm methods seem to always include keeping both parts of the colony in the same location. I would think the the part of the colony with the nurse bees could be moved wherever you want, as they've never been outside the hive. Is this correct?

Once any flying bees picked up in the movement of frames have been allowed to return to the "old" colony with the queen in... much like removing nurse bees on a frame in the Jenkins Way of Queen Rearing.
Nurse bees will stay with the frame of brood.
Use this method to build strong colonies for cell building often with bees from another apiary.

So yes you are correct

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[Angularity]

So yes you are correct

Ah, words I shall never hear from my wife...

Thanks all, nice to get something right.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Pagden Artificial swarm me dear or deer..

Yes I know that. Thank you.
I never bother with the second manoeuvre because I make absolutely sure there is no more than one queen cell in the original hive. The reason I asked was that I had never heard of using this second move to purposefully strengthen the AS though of course by weakening the parent you do achieve just that.
I wonder, do beekeepers move the hive a second time anyway, even having left just the one QC ?

 

[Beefriendly]

I wonder, do beekeepers move the hive a second time anyway, even having left just the one QC ?

I presume it's an attempt to keep forager numbers up in the original split so the honey harvest doesn't suffer (too much!). Very similar to bleeding foragers back into the bottom boxes using a Snelgrove board.
It's beekeepers wanting to have their cake and eat it.

 

[enrico]

I presume it's an attempt to keep forager numbers up in the original split so the honey harvest doesn't suffer (too much!). Very similar to bleeding foragers back into the bottom boxes using a Snelgrove board.
It's beekeepers wanting to have their cake and eat it.

Or trying to keep a strong hive when your only\ main flow is on and they insist on trying to swarm.
For me it depends exactly on these circumstances if I do the second move
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[masterBK]

Moving the queenless parent colony to the other side of the artifical swarm about 6 days after the Pagden is carried out is known as the Heddon modification.