Margaret Thatcher day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm with you on that, I am one of seventeen workers and we carry eleven administration and management staff and that's without all the office staff at HQ, way to heavy on top. It's a simple case of the more staff a manager has the more he gets paid, pure empire building

The organisations I worked with - all profit orientated- would have stopped that happening as the ratio of managers and support staff to front line staff was a KEY metric and monitored closely both internally and against the opposition.. I spent a lot of my working life restructuring organisations. It was hard work and often called for unpleasant decisions but in business "the quickest way to improve profits is to stop making losses".

Strangely enough, few of the industries that vanished were making profits - or even cash to finance the investment needed to return them to profitability.


As for the nationalised industries serving the consumer, that must be a joke. I recall trying to get a new telephone - wait 3 months and the shambles and lies of the British nuclear industry...not content with lying about their costs (nuclear power was "cheap") they also managed to irradiate much of Cumbria and the Irish Sea.. and carried out major coverups... And the cost of the cleanup? £70 billion and rising...
 
Germany - who caused the conflict -..

Watch The Pity Of War tonight on BBC2, it might enlighten you a bit to Britains own culpability in the darker parts of European history.

I would agree that there are two sides to every coin, but I just cannot countenance supporting a political party who actively try and make life difficult for the poorer sections of society, whichever way I look at it, it just seems wicked.
 
Well, Pargyle, I think you basically put the point that she was a political leader like any other. So she does not deserve her own day. There are others who I would prefer to see commemorated with their own day. E.g Churchill or Aneurin Bevan for a start.

Totally agree ... both Churchill and Bevan did immense things for the country ... opposite ends of the spectrum but derserving of immortality ..
 
I'm with you on that, I am one of seventeen workers and we carry eleven administration and management staff and that's without all the office staff at HQ, way to heavy on top. It's a simple case of the more staff a manager has the more he gets paid, pure empire building

I've been working for the Civil Service for the last 4 years ... can't believe the layers of totally unnecesssary management ... and the way things work. Too many chiefs AND too many indians !!
 
Managers look after their own, if you try give them a lesson about economics you might as well give them your P45 ,

And then there is corruption :spy:
 
Watch The Pity Of War tonight on BBC2, it might enlighten you a bit to Britains own culpability in the darker parts of European history.

I would agree that there are two sides to every coin, but I just cannot countenance supporting a political party who actively try and make life difficult for the poorer sections of society, whichever way I look at it, it just seems wicked.

I'll watch that ... I am quite aware of the part Britain has played in some very dark acts ... Poland after WWII comes to mind immediately !

I don't actively support any political party ... none of them have ever done much for me and they all have flaws. I've made my own way in life and have never had a cent off the state (well I get free presecriptions now as I'm old !).

I see, at present, a government struggling to resolve a situation brought about, in part, by a grossly incompetent previous champagne socialist government who left the country in the most improverished situation since WWII and shouting 'not us .. world situation'.

I accept that there were many other factors that have contrived to put us in a situation where so many people are suffering and the only people who are not suffering are those who were rich enough to weather the storm ... but as well as those who are reliant on benefits I feel for the people who saved for their entire lives to provide for their retirement only to find that their pension funds were raided by the Government and their savings are almost incapapble of generating any sort of investment income.

It's iniquitous that people with modest amounts of money or a property are further penalised by the frugality and prudence earlier in their lives and taxed on money that has already been taxed as earned income.

In the event that people, with very modest assets, require care and assistance with living in later life they are then stripped of their savings and property. Save nothing, remortgage your property to the hilt, burn the candle at both ends or give it all to your children before you have to spend it on a care home that charges £850 a week and more if you need nursing care - seems to be the message being given out. The reality is that if you have nothing ... regardless of how you reached that state ... the cost of keeping you in a care home will be picked up by the rest of us ... or the State if you prefer.

I knew I shouldn't get involved in this thread ... it's a bag of worms and if anything I'm with Redwood ... the whole damn country (and its Governments) is greedy and selfish and perhaps it's time that someone started a campaign that reflected JFK's famous word ... ' Ask not what your country can do for you. but what you can do for your country'.

I'm off now ... going to do something sensible .. install my BeeGym !! (I've seen no more Varroa dropping in the last week since that one mite on Tuesday ...) SO ... watch this space !
 
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Thatcher took a lot of decisions that had a positive effect on the British economy and culture. These decisions we avoided by the likes of Heath, Callaghan and the biggest wimp of them all Harold Wilson. We have a lot to thank her for.

Cyprus is in the same situation today that the UK was in the 1970's and early 1980's. Denationalisation (they don't like the word privatisation here) has to be applied to several utility organisations that the employees enjoy very high wages and other benefits. When they need more money they just tell the state to give them more with no thought on their side about trying to cut costs. The bill for privatising these parasitic institutes was narrowly defeated in parliament last Thursday. Oh well, they will just have to keep on voting for it until they get it right (a ploy that the EU often uses in referendums).
 
This is quite refreshing! I never knew of anyone who liked the lady until now
 
Hmm well, I still think she was an evil twisted baggot whose heart should have been roasted over a fire of good Welsh anthracite before being thrown to the pigs.But I can see I might have to change political allegiances if I'm to remain on this forum when I get back
As for the Yorkshire miners well, they might have been rich but i did not see much of it around here - obviously why they went back to work together with the Nottinghamlot and broke the back of the strike.:facts:
 
Never heard of a rich miner down this way either, and im sorry but there are many more people that deserve to have a day named after them.
 
...And im sorry but there are many more people that deserve to have a day named after them.

How about: Blair's Day

for all hypocritical lying property dealing champagne socialists..

(it goes without saying that includes almost all the Shadow Cabinet)
 
This is why I call them wolfs in wolfs clothing, its not as if we dont know what they are all about, its in their mandate to protect their own and stamp down all others, and we shouldnt blame the politicians as they are representing their party's interests correctly, rather we should blame the voters who vote for them.

Not always!! They get elected on one mandate and then once in power rip it up and do as they like. Remember the Tuition fee promise!!
 
My Dad was a teacher (who had been in the army for the whole of WWII)... QUOTE]

There were fewer easier jobs than teaching back then. Very different now.
I bet you Dad would not have swopped places with a miner!!!
 
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