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Norton said:
I think I'm going to start a Margaret Thatcher Appreciation Group on Facebook away from all the commies and poofter liberals. Anyone wants to join the group PM me for details.
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I do hope there aren't any homosexual liberals reading this, Norton.

You've probably given them sufficient cause to ask you to apologise or be booted.

Still, I'm sure they will see it as we all do – just meant as a joke, not another ill-considered outburst.
 
psafloyd said
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Well, actually, it has got a lot better as a profession. Teachers benefit from VERY long holidays, a decent salary and a very good pension. Not as good as it was, but very good, neverthless.
Mostly

I work through my long holidays, not necessarily teaching undergraduates, but preparing for the next years intake
Decent salary, well some of the girls I graduated with are getting paid 10 fold more working for Agrochemical and Insurance Companies.
Pension, well "they" have just moved mine on a few years to 67!

and OH my DEAR I wonder what Doris would be pidgeon holed as a socialist les. I suppose

Got to go
SOME of us have work to do!
 
Norton said:
I think I'm going to start a Margaret Thatcher Appreciation Group on Facebook away from all the commies and poofter liberals. Anyone wants to join the group PM me for details.
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I think there is already quite a few on there.
 
Sibleyback Bees said:
psafloyd said
:iagree:

Well, actually, it has got a lot better as a profession. Teachers benefit from VERY long holidays, a decent salary and a very good pension. Not as good as it was, but very good, neverthless.
Mostly

I work through my long holidays, not necessarily teaching undergraduates, but preparing for the next years intake
Decent salary, well some of the girls I graduated with are getting paid 10 fold more working for Agrochemical and Insurance Companies.
Pension, well "they" have just moved mine on a few years to 67!

and OH my DEAR I wonder what Doris would be pidgeon holed as a socialist les. I suppose

Got to go
SOME of us have work to do!
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+ 1 .... My wife teaches Early Years children, 4 & 5 year olds ... starts work at 8.15am (when these tots arrive at School) she sits with them through lunch .. does 6 duties a week on playtimes, before and after school, she runs an after school club once a week to 5.00pm - rarely gets home before 6.00pm on any days - she does about 2 hours a night lesson prep & planning and book marking. Reporting, grading and assessment (even at that age), is a nightmare that takes hours of work. Then you can add in Open mornings on a Saturday once a term, school plays, class trips, parents evenings, meetings with parents who need 'something' and a whole host of other 'things' that take time ...even her appraisal had to be outside of teaching hours as there wasn't enough cover to free her up during the day. With this age group there is no sitting watching them quietly working while you get on with 'other tasks' .. it don't work like that, it's constant supervision. Only non-contact time she gets during the week is during their swimming lesson ... and then it's only 20 mins as she has to be there to get them ready and dressed afterwards.

As for 'Long holidays' ... she usually spends nearly as much time in school as she does at home ... she moved classroom and year group at the end of last summer term so that completely demolished her summer holiday ..getting things together for the move to Year 1 ...

I think if you worked out the hourly rate she would not be on much more than minimum wage ...

Never say 'Long holidays' to a teacher ... unwise move !
 
Sibleyback Bees said:
psafloyd said
:iagree:

Well, actually, it has got a lot better as a profession. Teachers benefit from VERY long holidays, a decent salary and a very good pension. Not as good as it was, but very good, neverthless.
Mostly

I work through my long holidays, not necessarily teaching undergraduates, but preparing for the next years intake
Decent salary, well some of the girls I graduated with are getting paid 10 fold more working for Agrochemical and Insurance Companies.
Pension, well "they" have just moved mine on a few years to 67!

and OH my DEAR I wonder what Doris would be pidgeon holed as a socialist les. I suppose

Got to go
SOME of us have work to do!
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Some of us don't have the luxury of long holidays to work through and often do that at evening and weekends, too, just like teachers. Teachers shouldn't play the martyr for giving up a few days of what are very generous break times.

We all know people who earn more than us. I could have gone into the City, but I never wanted to, so satisfied myself with being a wage slave, the same as you.

Everyone's pensions are moving, but that is because people are living longer, so it's not an unfair trade-off. When pensions were introduced in 1909, few made it past the line. Whereas now, the average man will have about 17 years and woman about 19. Though people have been paying their stamps, this level of longevity has not been accounted for, and there aren't the numbers of younger workers to replace them. Another argument for immigration.
 
pargyle said:
I think if you worked out the hourly rate she would not be on much more than minimum wage ...

Never say 'Long holidays' to a teacher ... unwise move !
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I never tire of saying it and none of my friends argue, because a) it is true, b) it saves them fortune in childcare costs and c) they get to spend more time with their kids which most of them want to do, for some reason.

As for this hourly rate nonsense, that is true for many people in careers. Unless you rigidly conform to 9-5 –-I never have, am often at my desk at 0500 and rarely finish before 1900 –-you are never going to get to work a 40 hour week. Unless you live in France.
 
Norton said:
I think I'm going to start a Margaret Thatcher Appreciation Group on Facebook away from all the commies and poofter liberals.
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Of course tories shied away from poofterism (never happened in public schools did it? - to busy with paedophilia!
 
I hate this statement, 'we are all living longer'. I suppose in these times of improvement, with less infant mortality and less wars, better health and safety at work, the figure would suggest that. Of the people I started work with, I can think of only one who made it to the age of 65. I don't know many in their 90's.
 
pargyle said:
farbee said:
Well actually ... my Dad was a lecturer at Rotherham College of Technology .. I simplified things ... three days a week he did 12 hour days, mainly to earn enough to make a living wage. He taught metallurgy and ceramics to young lads who worked in the steelworks ... there was no day release in those days, so as well as his day's teaching he then did 6pm - 9pm to catch the 'kiln burners' as he called them at evening classes. We had no car in those days and I've known him to walk from Mexborough to Rotherham when the snow stopped the trackless trams in order not to let his pupils down.

Then he would sit down for hours in the evening doing marking and lesson preparation .. without the benefit of the internet and photocopiers.

My mum still gets letters and cards from some of the people he taught - he's been dead 10 years but would have been 96 this year. My grandfather was a miner - he tended pit ponies in the days when mining really was a tough job - he reckoned that what my Dad did was tougher than anything he had done down the mines.

It's clear that you have never lived with a teacher if you think it was ever an 'easy' occupation. I'm married to one and most of my relatives were teachers ... it's not got any better as a profession.
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Answer the question!!
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I love teaching
My mother ( now 96 ) was a biology teacher
Her mother ( my Gran) was a teacher.. Science
My Great grandmother was also a teacher..... had an MA from Cambridge in Natural Philosophy, lived to 100 and died in 1955. She was the inspiration I suppose for the rest of us.
You could say it was a family thing!

Teaching has its rewards, but I can assure you all, they are not long holidays, or any comparison with a softie life fiddling about with a few beehives in the sunshine, and remuneration is just about a living wage!
 
I don't know, i sometimes enjoy listen to a pile of middle class tories talking B****** from atop their high horses. It makes me feel glad to be working class (and not a teacher! :D) a quote on a teacher from one of the few Welsh plays I acted in years ago (I was doctor Dick, the play 'noson gardio' national eisteddfod 1984 I think) summed them up for me:

'Dyn ymysg plant - a phlentyn ymysg dynion'
 
Pargyle's posts in this thread pretty much sum up the facts of the situation.

Thacher was a remarkable women and people who harp on about how much ill she did this country seem to forget that no political leader since has tried to reverse her fundamental reforms.

People also seem to forget the 350,000 miner that lost their jobs prior to her ever getting into office.
 
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domino said:
Thacher was a remarkable women and people who harp on about how much ill she did this country seem to forget that no political leader since has tried to reverse her fundamental reforms.
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What a joke.
Selling off companies already owned by taxpayers, that was a good one. Privatise them and let's watch any profit either leave the country or line a few privileged pockets.
 
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Swarm said:
What a joke.
Selling off companies already owned by taxpayers, that was a good one. Privatise them and let's watch any profit either leave the country or line a few privileged pockets.
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You must find North Korea a very attractive model.
 
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