Ley lines

[Karsal]

Just read Dave Cushman's site on bait hives.
One week ago I caught two swarms in two days at the bottom of my garden in two separate bait hives.
Thought what a load of bunkum ley lines and bait hives.
I have had a look at ley line locator on the Internet and one runs directly over the spot where the bait hives were situated.
The jury's out I'm not convinced but it seems odd.
Has anyone else come across this?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I tripped over one once - bloody nuisance

 

[chrisb]

I live at the merging of 3, only bees we get arriving are bumble
but according to the ghost at bottom of the yard it is ever since the flying saucer flew over

only thing is just noticed im picking up 2 colonies from a place this week end and it is actually on one of the lines, how odds that
now watch the sods fly back home along it, that would round this year of to a T

 

[pargyle]

Yep....works for me ... too many coincidences to ignore it. But ... you either believe and accept or you deny it because the 'science' is not there behind it.

The bees know ...

 

[JWF]

You'll be amazed!

https://www.tomscott.com/ley/

 

[birdsandbees]

You'll be amazed!

https://www.tomscott.com/ley/

I was trying to find a genuine map rather than this joke site, all this does is triangulate your position using historic monuments and hey presto you have a convergence of three lay lines on or very near your property.
Would be nice to see if it really does have an impact, I posted about the same thing recently, a lady that gets swarms in her garden every year, always at the top of her garden but not always in the same plant, bush or hedge, so this would cancel out the traces of queen pheremone theory that was suggested surely.

 

[Motobiman]

If you get a map of your own area and start joining up the dots you will produce an abundance of lines that cross.

Wooooo spooky.

 

[madasafish]

I have had swarms in my garden for 6 years. Bees choose a different place to congregate every year.

I have tried to find ley lines using rods as a teenager , then as a young adult and finally as an elderly adult. I have failed every time.

If ley lines are so common, why am I different? Or perhaps others are more susceptible, live in areas with more bees (so more chance of repetition of use) or ley lines don't exist.

On the KISS principle, they don't exist.

 

[birdsandbees]

Well, yes, but if you applied this logic to everything that is mumbo jumbo until proven otherwise humans wouldn't have got very far would they?
What's electricity? Sheer magic! you can't see it, it can move through the air by itself without having a cable? And it makes things move, light up or even explode! If you could demonstrate it to someone several hundred years ago they would have burned you as a witch.

 

[madasafish]

Well, yes, but if you applied this logic to everything that is mumbo jumbo until proven otherwise humans wouldn't have got very far would they?
What's electricity? Sheer magic! you can't see it, it can move through the air by itself without having a cable? And it makes things move, light up or even explode! If you could demonstrate it to someone several hundred years ago they would have burned you as a witch.

Err your comparison is faulty.

Electricity experiments were and are replicable and demonstrable to people who did not believe. Demonstrable repeatedly. Anywhere. Any time. By anyone who knew how.

Ley lines are not.

 

[Motobiman]

Well, yes, but if you applied this logic to everything that is mumbo jumbo until proven otherwise humans wouldn't have got very far would they?
What's electricity? Sheer magic! you can't see it, it can move through the air by itself without having a cable? And it makes things move, light up or even explode! If you could demonstrate it to someone several hundred years ago they would have burned you as a witch.

Lots of people would suggest without the mumbo jumbo humans would have progressed far further than they have.

 

[oliver90owner]

Madasafish,

As a youngster, I tried hazel twigs to search for water. Did not work. It was not until I tried steel coat hook wire bent at right angles with the short side passed through a pen barrel that I suddenly found it worked. Only about 5 1/2 years ago. I was prompted to try again after reading the John Harding awfully written, but enlightening, book.

Since demonstrated to the gardeners next to a garden I use. They were doubters, but were amazed when I showed them a drawing of where they found the wires crossed. They pinpointed the precise location from a steady walk of around 25m. There are two points in that 25m, but the one they found was the very obvious one.

I first found a running drain at my house (knew it was there) and progressed from there. I was really 'hooked' when I walked down a long hospital corridor and the rods crossed crazily. No sign of a drain until I noted the male and female loos at opposite sides. It was a fair test because I had no idea of the layout and was only looking at the carpeted floor, so no manhole covers, or anything, to give me any clues a to where the drains might have run, although I suspected - from the hospital layout - that there might be drains beneath that corridor. It seems so easy when you are confident that it does work!

 

[praha]

Not to throw a spanner in the works, but, if ley lines existed in any meaningful way other that our human propensity for patterning, surely some layline/dowsing practitioner would have claimed the James Randi million dollar prize?

 

[For want of a better word]

Whatever you may wish to call these lines it works for me.
Being an Environmental Scientist I adopt a holistic view as opposed to the narrow minded blinkered hokum that the reductionist pursue.

A couple of rusty old bits of bent wire work well for me.
Not all of us have the gift, and it seems that many of the bad beekeepers it has been my misfortune to have met will happily deride Ley Lines... perhaps they are not successful because their colonies are not aligned on them?

However it is strange that many doubters have relocated colonies onto the lines I have found for them.... and how bees will swarm into the same tree year on year... I have an Oak with no less than seventeen lines intersecting.... swarm on the wall it is growing though every year since I have lived here!

But then someone once said that our Native Honeybee was extinct!

Yeghes da

 

[For want of a better word]

Not to throw a spanner in the works, but, if ley lines existed in any meaningful way other that our human propensity for patterning, surely some layline/dowsing practitioner would have claimed the James Randi million dollar prize?

They exist for bees and birds... perhaps they have more interest in the environment and can not be arsed to claim a pot of mere money?

Good bue and thanks for all the fish....

Yeghes da

 

[Quis Custodiet]

I once heard a barrister give an opinion on the conditions / requirements that would have to be satisfied before a claim for Randi's prize would be successful.
In brief, the wording could enable any claim to be rejected.

 

[praha]

https://www.psychologistworld.com/superstition.php

Renowned behaviour specialist B.F.Skinner showing our innate need to see patterns when none really exist.

 

[madasafish]

Madasafish,

As a youngster, I tried hazel twigs to search for water. Did not work. It was not until I tried steel coat hook wire bent at right angles with the short side passed through a pen barrel that I suddenly found it worked. Only about 5 1/2 years ago. I was prompted to try again after reading the John Harding awfully written, but enlightening, book.

Since demonstrated to the gardeners next to a garden I use. They were doubters, but were amazed when I showed them a drawing of where they found the wires crossed. ... It seems so easy when you are confident that it does work!

Oliver90owner

I have read JH's book...copy upstairs.

I tried his method: I really wanted it to work. I really tried hard /not so hard over a week.. Nothing happened.

Of course, SWMBO says I have no soul and a heart of granite from Aberdeen so maybe it's all my fault............................(it usually is)

 

[pargyle]

You see ... I work on the basis that if it works and I can see it working then I'm not that concerned if I can't explain it. Not everyone can dowse successfully but I've seen people who thought they were complete sceptics taking the p*ss only to find the rods moving in their hands ... and people who were desperate to dowse unable to get them to do anything.

I've no wish to upset the sceptics by insisting that it's essential to beekeeping but it costs nothing - the bees seem to do better where local dowsed lines cross and there is plenty of historical (if apocryphal) evidence that swarming bees often are found in the same locations every year.

But ... live and let live - believe or not - try it or not - nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

 

[tonyofarr]

What is the KISS principle Madasafish ?

My wife managed to find some redundant drains in one of our fields using bent coat hangers, and one was covered with a large slab of Delabole slate when we dug down to it; a good result....we can use it to repair the sitting room floor!