Laying workers

[Beefriendly]

Well thats the bit i read too, but it seems everyone has the definitive answer here!! oh well, who to believe lol

I tend to be swayed by a bit of science rather than "3 hive owner" opinion )
Still doesn't answer whether queenless and broodless state increases number of LW's or affects the policing of their eggs.

 

[Finman]

I tend to be swayed by a bit of science rather than "3 hive owner" opinion )
Still doesn't answer whether queenless and broodless state increases number of LW's or affects the policing of their eggs.

What heck you do with that answer?

Read the cheffield report.

Laying workers develope on desperately queenless colony.
Desperately queenless means, that they do not have brood, from where they get a new Queen.

Up to 25% out of workers may have swollen ovaries on such colony.

And if you think further, when you give young brood, the bees have Queen cells next day on their give. They have normal emergency cells, and that is normal situation in the beehive.
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Now, the question was,what to do when you see heap of eggs in the bottom of cells.

Give a brood frame or a Queen.

I have seen that old workers are not allways able to rear Queen in spring, if they are 8 month old. But when you give a frame of emerging Queen, they start Queen rearing.

Once I gove a laying Queen the colony in July and those bees were emerged in September. The workers were 10 months old. And cllony started.

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[Beefriendly]

What heck you do with that answer?

Satisfy my curiosity.

Up to 25% out of workers may have swollen ovaries on such colony.

Have you got a source for that information, it suggests more develop. And no more University of Cheffield....they do lots of research in other fields as well as bees

And if you think further, when you give young brood, the bees have Queen cells next day on their give.

No they don't. In my experience, they do nothing with a frame of brood except look after it. You need to keep adding frames of brood to save the bees you have already added.
Perhaps they behave differently in Finland, but I doubt it.

 

[Finman]

Satisfy my curiosity.


Have you got a source for that information, it suggests more develop. And no more University of Cheffield....they do lots of research in other fields as well as bees


No they don't. In my experience, they do nothing with a frame of brood except look after it. You need to keep adding frames of brood to save the bees you have already added.
Perhaps they behave differently in Finland, but I doubt it.

What ever..... Wasting only life.

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

There is such a thing as the ignore button. Useful thing.

PH

about time we had a like button as well!!

 

[mintmoth]

I tend to be swayed by a bit of science rather than "3 hive owner" opinion )
Still doesn't answer whether queenless and broodless state increases number of LW's or affects the policing of their eggs.

Open brood produce two pheromones that inhibit worker ovary activation - BEP (brood ester pheromone), produced by old larvae, and E-β-ocimene, produced by young larvae.

This quote is from a research article on the plos.org website

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0013531

"Therefore, by emitting E-β-ocimene and BEP, the young and old larvae signals are involved in enforcing different worker tasks (Fig. 4); nevertheless they also have a common action in the nest: the inhibition of worker ovary activation [12], [17]. This plays a major role in the productivity of the nest because reproductive workers do not work as hard as sterile workers [40], showing a reduction in both tending to larvae and foraging tasks, which decreases the inclusive fitness of the colony. E-β-ocimene and BEP both partially inhibit the worker ovary activation, and a possible synergistic interaction needs to be tested"

So, no queen + no brood = no pheromones = DLW's - can apparently be as much as 75% of workers, which drops dramatically when they are given several frames of brood

 

[Beefriendly]

Open brood produce two pheromones that inhibit worker ovary activation - BEP (brood ester pheromone), produced by old larvae, and E-β-ocimene, produced by young larvae.

This quote is from a research article on the plos.org website

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0013531

"Therefore, by emitting E-β-ocimene and BEP, the young and old larvae signals are involved in enforcing different worker tasks (Fig. 4); nevertheless they also have a common action in the nest: the inhibition of worker ovary activation [12], [17]. This plays a major role in the productivity of the nest because reproductive workers do not work as hard as sterile workers [40], showing a reduction in both tending to larvae and foraging tasks, which decreases the inclusive fitness of the colony. E-β-ocimene and BEP both partially inhibit the worker ovary activation, and a possible synergistic interaction needs to be tested"

So, no queen + no brood = no pheromones = DLW's - can apparently be as much as 75% of workers, which drops dramatically when they are given several frames of brood

Thank you, that just about answers my query. They increase in number. Just need to know what happens to the worker policing and I'll be a happy bunny

 

[Beefriendly]

What ever..... Wasting only life.

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My life to waste in any way I want.