Jar deal

[Murox]

I don't see why people are bothered about the shape of the hexagonal but. Do you think the customer even notices?

The hex do sell more quickly than round for me. The actual precision of the shape and finish have not made a noticeable difference, as long as the glass is clear. Perhaps if I was trying to sell in a more competitive area those things may be more important, but at my scale and with the jar size I use in this area it seems to be of little concern. Most people seem really happy to have a jar of real honey that tastes like it used to!

 

[ericbeaumont]

precision of the shape and finish

Thickness of glass will affect jar strength and alter the volume held, depending whether they skim the outside or inside of the jar.

I prefer to fill to the neck base as I believe it looks better on the shelf in the eyes of the customer. To put 227 in a jar does not achieve that (see Nanny's Bees photo earlier) so for many years I have put in 235 and labelled & priced as such.

Recent batch of 227s from F&H needed 245 to get to the base of the neck. Either that was a production anomaly or the Yorkshire factory has reduced wall thickness to save costs. I will ask F&H which is true, because changes to jars will affect label printing and retail price point, and they ought to inform the buyer.

Their 340 still fills to the base of the neck with 340 put in; the 113 takes 135 to get to the base of the neck, and that has not changed either.

 

[Dodge]

I don't see why people are bothered about the shape of the hexagonal but. Do you think the customer even notices?

Next time you go to a Honey show where there is a good sized section of "Honey for commercial sale" take a look at the labels and jars. If the general public are allowed see what they look at and talk about.

Hex jars seemingly present them selves better. I feel it the fact that you can have an attractive label / logo on the front face bit still be able to view the two side faces and read a little about the product, where it's from etc without having to spin the bottle around. Just look slicker and more professional.

 

[ericbeaumont]

CofO?

Country of origin.

 

[Moobee]

Next time you go to a Honey show where there is a good sized section of "Honey for commercial sale" take a look at the labels and jars. If the general public are allowed see what they look at and talk about.

Hex jars seemingly present them selves better. I feel it the fact that you can have an attractive label / logo on the front face bit still be able to view the two side faces and read a little about the product, where it's from etc without having to spin the bottle around. Just look slicker and more professional.

Interesting as I started with round jars and have received zero comments about it. I think people here just want the honey, they’re not concerned about the jar type. Also think that the text displays better for my design.

 

[enrico]

Next time you go to a Honey show where there is a good sized section of "Honey for commercial sale" take a look at the labels and jars. If the general public are allowed see what they look at and talk about.

Hex jars seemingly present them selves better. I feel it the fact that you can have an attractive label / logo on the front face bit still be able to view the two side faces and read a little about the product, where it's from etc without having to spin the bottle around. Just look slicker and more professional.

I am not arguing that point, but people are saying Hobbycraft hex are not like other hex ......

 

[Murox]

Thickness of glass will affect jar strength and alter the volume held, depending whether they skim the outside or inside of the jar.

I prefer to fill to the neck base as I believe it looks better on the shelf in the eyes of the customer. To put 227 in a jar does not achieve that (see Nanny's Bees photo earlier) so for many years I have put in 235 and labelled & priced as such.

Recent batch of 227s from F&H needed 245 to get to the base of the neck. Either that was a production anomaly or the Yorkshire factory has reduced wall thickness to save costs. I will ask F&H which is true, because changes to jars will affect label printing and retail price point, and they ought to inform the buyer.

Their 340 still fills to the base of the neck with 340 put in; the 113 takes 135 to get to the base of the neck, and that has not changed either.

Yes I have begun to fill to 230g, I overfilled some and found I could get 240 plus in. Couldn't easily charge for the extra this year 'cos of a stock of labels. Next year will be different.

 

[Moobee]

Thickness of glass will affect jar strength and alter the volume held, depending whether they skim the outside or inside of the jar.

I prefer to fill to the neck base as I believe it looks better on the shelf in the eyes of the customer. To put 227 in a jar does not achieve that (see Nanny's Bees photo earlier) so for many years I have put in 235 and labelled & priced as such.

Recent batch of 227s from F&H needed 245 to get to the base of the neck. Either that was a production anomaly or the Yorkshire factory has reduced wall thickness to save costs. I will ask F&H which is true, because changes to jars will affect label printing and retail price point, and they ought to inform the buyer.

Their 340 still fills to the base of the neck with 340 put in; the 113 takes 135 to get to the base of the neck, and that has not changed either.

I have a few ‘older’ 190ml panel jars from F&H and they’re 25g heavier than the recent delivery…

 

[ericbeaumont]

I have a few ‘older’ 190ml panel jars from F&H and they’re 25g heavier than the recent delivery…

This morning I rang F&H and explained the weight anomaly; they were unaware and agreed to pursue it with the factory. Coincidentally, an hour later another beefarmer rang me with the news that he'd noticed that the old F&H is shorter than the new one, and that he'd also spoken to F&H. A warehouse check confirmed the difference, which in a photo looks to be 3-4mm, enough to alter the volume.

Yes I have begun to fill to 230g, I overfilled some and found I could get 240 plus in. Couldn't easily charge for the extra this year 'cos of a stock of labels. Next year will be different.

Exactly, and F&H agreed that moving the goalposts is not on; the beefarmer above has labels printed 3000 a time so must either give away 10g per jar to maintain the fill height, sell jars looking short or dump his labels.

why people are bothered about the shape of the hexagonal

10g x 3000 is a bucketful of honey which to me is worth about £400, to John more as his prices are higher, so the long and short of it is that jar dimensions, quality and origin matters.

 

[enrico]

This morning I rang F&H and explained the weight anomaly; they were unaware and agreed to pursue it with the factory. Coincidentally, an hour later another beefarmer rang me with the news that he'd noticed that the old F&H is shorter than the new one, and that he'd also spoken to F&H. A warehouse check confirmed the difference, which in a photo looks to be 3-4mm, enough to alter the volume.


Exactly, and F&H agreed that moving the goalposts is not on; the beefarmer above has labels printed 3000 a time so must either give away 10g per jar to maintain the fill height, sell jars looking short or dump his labels.


10g x 3000 is a bucketful of honey which to me is worth about £400, to John more as his prices are higher, so the long and short of it is that jar dimensions, quality and origin matters.

Totally understand that.