I quit now.......

[enrico]

That is totally racist and should be removed( like you!). Sums you up!

 

[Finman]

That is totally racist and should be removed( like you!). Sums you up!

You are openly bullying?

That I expect last from you Mr Chasteish.

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

I'd forgotten that trolls had dark skins

 

[parkranger]

Everyone, This is one of the nastiest threads I have read on this forum and it is going nowhere. May I respectfully suggest that we all ignore it and let it die or maybe someone with the power can just delete it. It has degenerated into a slanging match with insults flying in both directions and does this forum no credit at all.
Not to apportion blame, Finny has huge expereince and knowledge, but in the main, of keeping bees HIS way and sometimes (probably all the time) comes across as his way or no way. His bees obviously enjoy fantastic forage and he can stack his boxes as high as he likes and that in the main is not the British way. Finny, you have an intolerance of the hobbyist or two hive beekeeper and that in turn has created an animosity towards you on the forum for some members.
You have much useful advice to give but maybe not on every thread as not every situation is mirrored in Finland. Many times, something or everything is lost in translation but we usually get the gist of things.

No-one on this forum should look down on another and we must all be tolerant (although this is tested at times, I know!)

No more tal;k of racism, bullying please. Lets just keep it to bees and honey!

 

[Finman]

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Soon 8 000 views. Folks are fond these things...Shpuld I stay however?

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqH21LEmfbQ

 

[Finman]

Finny, you have an intolerance of the hobbyist or two hive beekeeper and that in turn has created an animosity towards you on the forum for some members. !

Nonsense. Everybody starts with one or two hives. At least it should be better to do so.

2-hive owner is a mere joke by me. But look at some guys, who knows everything and have no experience. They are ready to fight against best researchers in the world with their "own facts".

Read: every one start from 1 or 2 hives!!!

I really teach them to get along, but when these guys have attitude that my 50 years experience is only a bargain, and it does not fit in "UK" and they allready know best, I cannot avoid of teasing these Giants of Intellicenge.

My teaching does not come from Finland. It is international knowledge on bees. Bees are same everywhere. YOu only need to use your brains, how information fits into your system. Like I have said, I have got best knowledge from USA and Austaralia. Wintereing we know here best. No one can advice Finnish beekeepers in that issue. Here is so huge experience on it.

Then some guys speak like they represent 60 milj inhabitants UK, like I would be afraid of it.
But many of there, you are so full of greatness, that you do not understand how stupid attitude you have against some unknown persong who lives in a country what you do not even know where it is.

I have visited in England 6 times. Folks are there really helpfull and friendly, and I got marvellous knowledge to my work. But I wonder what football huligans have concentrated in this forum.
They know nothing about beekeeping but they are allways sticking their spoon into a soup and kicking onto arse.

I am an old forum shark, and I have loved to give back to these huligans.

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[Finman]

That guy at the end of line

The attitude to knowlegde is strange in this forum. It is not important what he says but who says.
That is normal but perhaps it suit better to Great Nation specially. I do not mind about that bullying attitude.

What I have told here is to be seen in internet as international reseaching. It is not from Finland and not from me.

Wikipedia today The social structure of the United Kingdom has historically been highly influenced by the concept of social class, with the concept still affecting British society in the early-21st century.[1][2]

British society, like its European neighbours and most societies in world history, was traditionally (before the Industrial Revolution) divided into a caste system called the estates, with all of the most notable features of a caste system: endogamy (marriage only within the same group), and the hereditary transmission of occupation, social status and political influence.[3] Since the advent of industrialisation, this system has been in a constant state of revision, and new factors other than birth (for example, education) are now a greater part of creating identity in Britain.


Or is it only "NIH-phenomenom" = not invented here

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[pargyle]

I have said, several times within this thread, that your input to this forum is valuable Finny ....you bring a level of experience that I and many others will never achieve ... simply because I don't have another 50 years left in which to beekeep. I don't think anyone wants to lose this.

However, people with only a few hives DO have some experience and opinions ... and occasionally advice coming from someone who has a similar level of experience is proffered with less of the 'told you so' attitude that we sometimes (frequently) get from you. It may not always be the advice you would give ... but diversity is the nature of forums ... alternative advice is not always wrong.

You said in your recent post about bullying:

"If some one is odd in a group he will be bullied.
first they tells jokes about him. They try to embarrass him."

So, precisely how you do you reconcile your comments about 'One Hive owners' ... who you constantly berate, belittle and bludgeon ... often with very rude comments attached ?

I have to say that I have declined to respond to you in any like way ... mostly my comments have been well tempered and humorous ... but, if you want people to stop being unkind to you, you really have to stop dishing it out ...

There are ways of disagreeing with people which don't put their backs up ... you need to learn some of these.

I hope this thread has run it's course ... no doubt Finman will be along for the last word ! Let him have it and close it down ... I quit !

 

[Dishmop]

For one who so frequently uses the word "dyslexic", I'm suprised you dont know what it means.

Week? Month? Of course I know the difference. It was made clear (and obvious to everybody else)that I used week as an example because I couldnt be bothered to seek out what specific period of time you had quoted, but for some odd perverse reason you like to keep mentioning this fact as if in attempt to make me out to be some kind of idiot who doesnt know the difference, hence your prolific mentioning of dyslexia.

You started the thread so I dont see that anybody invited you here.

Why do you keep mumbling about "replies" and "questions"? No need for wiki links.

When you enter something here, it is a reply.

If somebody asks you something it is a reply in answer to a question that somebody has asked about.

the trouble is that if anybody asks you a direct question, you dont seem to answer with anything that we can make sense out of, and it makes you look as if you dont have any answers or alternative thoughts.


Ok, so you have been keeping bees for 50 years......... You know a lot, but why is it that you cannot accept that methods for keeping bees in the UK may not work in your country ( and vice versa) and that is why we dont always accept your method which you say is the only way to do it because you have done it that way for 50 years, and that it must be the right way.

You say that you feed you bees for 9 months of the year. Is that the winter months when they are not foraging? Much different than in the UK.

 

[Dishmop]

Internet bullying...........????????????

Oh what a laugh.

"OFF"

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

I'm a one-colony owner hoping like hell to stay that way for the next six months.

 

[Dishmop]

If my bees have survived (1 colony and 1 nuc loss) for 3 years and have more than trebled in that period and have in fact cost me nothing......... then although I only take honey for friends and family, it seems to me that my method of keeping bees cant drastically be the wrong way. Other methods will work as well as, or better than, but it works for me, and for the bees.

 

[Dishmop]

I'm a one-colony owner hoping like hell to stay that way for the next six months.

If they have any sense, so will they unless they have an electric blanket.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

:- ) I meant I don't want to go zero rather than to a half but I take your point.

I'm a bit late on the thymol having been away and despite low drop I am going to treat. The idea of The Red Queen Unseen going off lay makes me nervous and they have NO pollen stored. Worries, worries (remember the 50 million years...)

Deliberately trying to drift this thread :- )

 

[Pete D]

:- ) I meant I don't want to go zero rather than to a half but I take your point.

I'm a bit late on the thymol having been away and despite low drop I am going to treat. The idea of The Red Queen Unseen going off lay makes me nervous and they have NO pollen stored. Worries, worries (remember the 50 million years...)

Deliberately trying to drift this thread :- )

Me too..............

I would treat, currently half way through Thymovar on 20 hives that had low drop before treating and half way through MAQ's on 9 hives that were also low before treating.
All hives have had some drop during treating, not a lot but I consider every dead mite to be a victory and another load of bees that will be healthier and stand more chance of over wintering.
No problems encountered with the MAQ's with regard to dead bees, I am leaving them a week before I lift a frame to check still queen right.

Any consensus on not doing oxallic having done MAQ's and just do MAQ's again in the spring.

 

[Finman]

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I am not worried about varroa. You guys need urgent treatment. The whole beekeeping world follows us. This is a free advice. Symptoms will be worse in winter.

Guys have now a little bit mania but be ready
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/stress-anxiety-depression/Pages/dealing-with-winter-blues-SAD.aspx

 

[Finman]

Internet bullying...........????????????

Oh what a

"PUSH IT ON"

You should learn a little bit this

ii. Introduction to Cross-Cultural Communication



The most important things are to:
•make sure the setting is comfortable and private
•start off with a quiet manner rather than being noisy or blustering
•educate yourself about the main aspects of non-verbal communication within cultures you are dealing with – for example, ways people greet each other, attitudes to physical touch and eye contact, gender roles, personal space and privacy
•communicate warmth and interest by giving the person your full attention and by smiling and welcoming them into your space
•try to use a similar tone of voice and general gestures to the other person
•make sure your non-verbal messages are consistent with what you are saying
•try to tap into the emotions that the person is communicating to you.

Understanding cultural influences

Understanding cultural influences is part of the bigger picture of your approach to working with people from CALD communities. Some of the ways you can improve your communication skills are to:
•be aware that people may feel wary or intimidated by perceived ‘authority figures’ (e.g. government employees) and by the number and type of questions they are being asked
•avoid stereotyping people on the basis of their cultural background
•be aware that people may be politely agreeing with you without really understanding
•take the time to understand the cultural ‘norms’ of communication across cultures
•find out about culturally specific resources in your local area
•develop working relationships with multicultural health and community workers and organisations in your local area
•learn phonetically correct key words and simple phrases from the languages of people you deal with most commonly
•find out about common issues for specific cultural groups – for example, migration and settlement patterns, domestic politics and attitudes to government authorities
•reflect on your own belief systems and cultural norms and how these influence your communication with clients
•seek feedback from clients and/or their family about whether the communication is effective or how it could be improved.





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[Finman]

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...8100 VIEWS!

Here is an example of ingenious inhabitants of Finland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XU7DHblBo

 

[Finman]

Internet bullying...........????????????

Oh what a laugh.

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what then

Dear Auntie Advice.

I am suffering from abuse on a social media web site. Idiot.com


This has been going on for several months and everyday when I get home the first thing I do is turn on the computer to check for any new abuse.

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... bullied or not to be bullied, that is the question

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