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[pargyle]

Oh well, perhaps he needs to argue hammer and tongue with the council and see where that gets him.

I've been there, done that, got the T-shirt and made the video .... over a tree ! Lost that one and I OWN the property. I've learnt the hard way ... talk, cajole, plead, pursuade, compromise and you stand a chance ... confront and all it does is put their backs up !

 

[HM Honey]

Have you considered just speaking to your neighbours and maybe trying to appease whoever it is that has complained? A little education may do the job. On the other hand it is possible that one of your neighbours is hyper allergic to bee venom in which case you could be being a little unreasonable insisting that they stay?

First thing for me would be to establish why someone has complained.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Oh well, perhaps he needs to argue hammer and tongue with the council and see where that gets him.

I'll refer to my earlier statements, believe you me try and be 'clever' with them and they will sh!t on you from a great height.

I've encountered a few people over the years who have started on the offensive, got my back up and banged on about what they think their legal rights are, but I have always done my job correctly, politely and without malice, but as they say, there's more than one way to skin a badger - and it does get cold in them private search rooms if someone insists on turning the heat off and leaving the window open

 

[Curt123]

Wow thanks for your help and support bees are wild animals so there is no law or anything about keeping them. The hive been there for 3 years no issues they did exchange with the new neighbour they knew I kept bees without issue and they said they wasn't bothered as the was going to put a fence up. I even told them I would move the bees quite happy to new location in the garden. But it's a bit below the belt to grass on neighbours. I even made sure the hive location was in away from there garden. If bees are wild no one owns them so I can keep them as there endangered and wild. But don't the council have to put it in written or serve papers. I got told over the phone they had to go.

 

[Hivemaker.]

I'll refer to my earlier statements, believe you me try and be 'clever' with them and they will sh!t on you from a great height.

I know, and agree, but was referring to the posts below.
The council have pretty much every angle covered with what is in the link i posted earlier.....http://www.nwleics.gov.uk/pages/keeping_of_pets

But let's not let the b*****ds grind us down. Let's confront them wherever and whenever we need to.

Give them hurdles to jump over and they'll stumble or baulk.

 

[pargyle]

Wow thanks for your help and support bees are wild animals so there is no law or anything about keeping them. The hive been there for 3 years no issues they did exchange with the new neighbour they knew I kept bees without issue and they said they wasn't bothered as the was going to put a fence up. I even told them I would move the bees quite happy to new location in the garden. But it's a bit below the belt to grass on neighbours. I even made sure the hive location was in away from there garden. If bees are wild no one owns them so I can keep them as there endangered and wild. But don't the council have to put it in written or serve papers. I got told over the phone they had to go.

Yes ... arguments with neighbours are very common and not always rational. The general concensus here appears to be to take a reasonable approach ... there's plenty for you to think about and plan your campaign. Good luck with it.

 

[Curt123]

If I'm not allowed chickens how come they allowed me to have them. Isn't that strange

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Wow thanks for your help and support bees are wild animals so there is no law or anything about keeping them. The hive been there for 3 years no issues they did exchange with the new neighbour they knew I kept bees without issue and they said they wasn't bothered as the was going to put a fence up. I even told them I would move the bees quite happy to new location in the garden. But it's a bit below the belt to grass on neighbours. I even made sure the hive location was in away from there garden. If bees are wild no one owns them so I can keep them as there endangered and wild. But don't the council have to put it in written or serve papers. I got told over the phone they had to go.

I'm afraid that argument won't hold you are keeping them in your hive so, duty of care blah di blah...... as you said, you were just told over the phone, so they've left you (maybe intentionally) an opening there to show how reasonable and responsible you are. No use sticking your head in the sand - contact them, ask nicely what the problem is, ask for a meeting, don't argue, don't try nebulous arguments like 'they're wild animals' or you mind find the local pestie turns up with his nasty white powder 'you said they weren't yours didn't you?' just discuss the case rationally, do your homework, show how responsible you are and whatever you do Don't try to tell them what their job is a reasoned discussion may do the trick, they possibly won't be bothered about trying to build a case and give you a conditional O.K. and then the neighbour is on the wrong foot.
By all means approach the neighbour but again, don't confront, don't accuse him of shopping you, just have a chat in general and try and put him at ease. 'hallo there I have a feeling you are a bit uneasy of my bees' sort of thing.

 

[pargyle]

If I'm not allowed chickens how come they allowed me to have them. Isn't that strange

a) You didn't ask them if you could.

b) Nobody has, it seems, complained.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

If I'm not allowed chickens how come they allowed me to have them. Isn't that strange

As i said in my first post, there's a lot of leeway in the regs - as long as there is no nuisance, public health, welfare.........................

 

[Hivemaker.]

If I'm not allowed chickens how come they allowed me to have them. Isn't that strange

(g) You must not keep any livestock, examples of which are(but not limited to)horses,donkeys,goats,pigs,cattle,ducks,geese,chickens or pigeons at the property without the written consent of the Council.

Maybe in your case a verbal agreement about keeping the chickens was okay.

 

[thorn]

I'm a mediator as well as a solicitor. Under one hat I try to get the parties to talk to each other and see what the problem really is. A bee sting allergy is a vert real fear, and any beekeeper worth his salt should take it on board.
My approach under the other hat is to "talk softly and carry a big stick". The law is the "big stick". Let them see it. You don't have to use it and you don't need to instruct a lawyer to ask them to prove their case. It simply helps them to understand that you're not an easy victim of bureacratic bullying.
Council officials are stuck in the middle. If one party makes a lot of noise, and the other very little, they'll only hear the noisy one. Make yourself heard.

 

[domino]

I ain't a barstool lawyer, I'm a real one.

And you're suggesting the starting point for a dispute between a tenant and their landlord is to ask for case law to prove the tenancy agreement is valid?

Top job there!!!!!

 

[thorn]

And you're suggesting the starting point for a dispute between a tenant and their landlord is to ask for case law to prove the tenancy agreement is valid?

Top job there!!!!!

No, to ask the council to show that there is a clause in the agreement prohibiting the keeping of bees. Surely you are capable of realising that if there is no such clause then they have nothing to enforce.

 

[domino]

No, to ask the council to show that there is a clause in the agreement prohibiting the keeping of bees. Surely you are capable of realising that if there is no such clause then they have nothing to enforce.

No you said:

If the agreement refers to "livestock", it's using a word that is, as Wikipedia states, nebulous. If that is indeed the word used, ask them how they get it to include bees, and ask that their legal department refers you to the case they're relying on.

Wikipedia ......

Top legal advice there.

Carry on.

 

[domino]

Wow thanks for your help and support bees are wild animals so there is no law or anything about keeping them. The hive been there for 3 years no issues they did exchange with the new neighbour they knew I kept bees without issue and they said they wasn't bothered as the was going to put a fence up. I even told them I would move the bees quite happy to new location in the garden. But it's a bit below the belt to grass on neighbours. I even made sure the hive location was in away from there garden. If bees are wild no one owns them so I can keep them as there endangered and wild. But don't the council have to put it in written or serve papers. I got told over the phone they had to go.

Bee's aren't endangered, if you've had them there for three years with no problems speak to someone at the council and point this out to them. Tell they you're happy to move them around the garden. Speak to your neighbours and see if you can find some to support you.

I think you'll find your tenancy agreement gives them the ability to make you move them and you really don't want to get into a legal dispute for something at worst will cost you a tenner a year to rent a plot from the local association.

Your absolute best option here is explaining to them you've had them three years with no problems and the bee's aren't causing a nuisance rather someone is misinformed of the risks they present.

Telling them they aren't allowed to do this isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

[Curt123]

I looked on Wikipedia livestock.
Bees aren't listed there . I'm might there trying to put it under livestock which they can't do as it isn't listed.
A dog is livestock and a cat is livestock and I'm allowed to keep them .
It's all silly and gets confusing. There just trying to bully me to remove them.
And they can't enforce a law that doesn't exist for bees.
And they have to put it in writing stating it. The best how can bees be a nuisance if they haven't been out its silly.

 

[domino]

I looked on Wikipedia livestock.
Bees aren't listed there . I'm might there trying to put it under livestock which they can't do as it isn't listed.
A dog is livestock and a cat is livestock and I'm allowed to keep them .
It's all silly and gets confusing. There just trying to bully me to remove them.
And they can't enforce a law that doesn't exist for bees.
And they have to put it in writing stating it. The best how can bees be a nuisance if they haven't been out its silly.

You're going to get screwed, good luck.

 

[Curt123]

I suggested that to the council and make a comproise to make everyone happy.there saying there not allowed on council land.
So what about apairy that rent of council that wouldn't be allowed it will have to be on private land.
Since I'm dual national and it's apart of my culture bees. my culture has keeping bees for centuries back to the Roman Empire so couldnt I say it apart of my heritage. And saying the neighbours are been a bit racist against my culture? I don't know it's a thought

 

[domino]

I suggested that to the council and make a comproise to make everyone happy.there saying there not allowed on council land.
So what about apairy that rent of council that wouldn't be allowed it will have to be on private land.
Since I'm dual national and it's apart of my culture bees. my culture has keeping bees for centuries back to the Roman Empire so couldnt I say it apart of my heritage. And saying the neighbours are been a bit racist against my culture? I don't know it's a thought

Are you a troll?