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AdamGame

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In the last hour both of my hives have dying bees at the entrance and a blanket of dead bees on the ground below, bees are coming out of the hive, collapsing and dying, I have attached pictures.

They are both 2016 nucs which we hived 4 weeks ago, inspected both hives yesterday and looked very healthy.

Any advice or suggestions greatly appreciated.
 

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That's weird, no pollen sacks so not coming in from fields and dying, could be offloading and then dying but all at the same time? Hunger wouldn't be a problem as they would probably die inside the hive. If I had to guess I would say someone had just sprayed fly spray into the hive but.......
Wings look good.
I would be very concerned but I don't have an answer. Collect the dead bees and send them off for analysis would be my best advice
Are you actually watching them come out and die or are they being carried out and dumped?
I feel for you
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could be worth looking up CBPV for symptoms to see if they match your bees.

I have seen bees like this and the effects can be swift. They don't necessarily have shiny black bees in the colony.
 
In the last hour both of my hives have dying bees at the entrance and a blanket of dead bees on the ground below, bees are coming out of the hive, collapsing and dying, I have attached pictures.

They are both 2016 nucs which we hived 4 weeks ago, inspected both hives yesterday and looked very healthy.

Any advice or suggestions greatly appreciated.

There's a few possibilities. Are the hives located away from neighbours or the public? Not everyone is happy at having bees flying near them, regardless of whether the bees are defensive or completely calm. Some have been known to deliberately poison colonies. Someone in the forum had a neighbour climb into his garden a couple of years ago and killed the hive.
It could be agricultural spray but chronic bee paralysis virus has been emerging for a while now as a problem which is easy to confuse with poisoning.
Have a look at the spray poisoning thread of a few weeks ago via the search facility for possible action to take if cbpv turns out to be the culprit.
It's really bad news for a new beek so you have my sympathy.
 
They're coming out of the hive and dying. We inspected yesterday and both hives had stores, brood, pollen, we added a super to the larger of the two hives they were doing so well.

It's a mix of light showers and sunshine here, they've been coming and going all day until an hour or so ago.
 
Had it with one of my hives a few weeks ago.hundreds of dead bees being dragged out of hive.it went on for a few days getting less and less and now seems to have cleared.lots of the bees were black and shiny with abnormal abdomens.had me worried but they are fine now and really strong again.
 
Below is a photograph of dead bees taken from entrance of both hives L & R.
 

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Where abouts in Buckinghamshire are you,are you a member of a local society is any one near you having the same thing happen. You could approach your regeonal or seasonal bee inspector for their opinion. I suspect you are either in North or mid Bucks areas
 
Poisoning?

I can't see if they have tongues out or not - if so that wouldn't be typical of CBPV. Collect 2 samples of 200 bees from each hive, and put them in the freezer. Contact your bee inspector. Check what crops are around in the area.
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Had your bees been treated for varroa before you got them? Could be CBPV two types one with shiny bees and the other one without. The bees are under stress at the moment with low temps and forage opportunities and inspections are very stressful too.
 
Also consider the possibility that they have been robbing a recently bumped off feral colony where the entrance to the colony hasn't been sealed properly.
 
Talk to your sbi.

there are videos of cbpv on beebase.

Has it been dry enough for farmers to spray in your area it hasn't here ?

Has a feral colony been killed and not sealed ?

hard to say. can't see them.
 
CBPV, DWV, varroa treatment or not - the ministry of misinformation is at it again

The viral load that varroa carries have increased dramatically over the past 20 years. Most bee diseases are endemic in the UK and come out when the bees are under stress and there is nothing more stressful than a heavy varroa load. Yes, DWV can stand alone, but varroa is still the main vector of DWV. CBPV has been found in varroa and it is often present in colonies with heavy varroa infestation even if the causal link has not been proved yet and yes the Isle of Wight disease was CBPV and we did not have varroa then, but things move on especially viruses. So the question is justified, but your rudeness is not.
 
Maybe you should share your findings with these gentlemen - they seem to know even less than you:
Spread of Infectious Chronic Bee Paralysis Virus by Honeybee (Apis mellifera L.) Feces
M. Ribière*, P. Lallemand, A.-L. Iscache, F. Schurr, O. Celle, P. Blanchard, V. Olivier and J.-P. Faucon
Unité Pathologie de l'Abeille, AFSSA-LERPPRA, Sophia Antipolis, France

Chronic paralysis is an infectious and contagious disease of adult honeybees caused by the chronic bee paralysis virus (CBPV) (10). CBPV is classified as a positive-sense, single-stranded RNA virus but has not been assigned to a genus or family. Chronic paralysis has been given a variety of names, such as “hairless black syndrome” and “little blacks,” and is the only common viral disease of adult bees that has well-described symptoms, which include abnormal trembling of wings and body. Some individuals become almost hairless and dark in appearance and suffer nibbling attacks from healthy bees of their colony. Affected bees become flightless, often crawling on the ground and on the stems of grass, sometimes in masses of thousands of individuals. The bloated abdomen is caused by distension of the honey sac with fluid, leading to the so-called “dysentery” symptom. Sick individuals die within a few days of the onset of symptoms........................
Knowledge of the mechanism of CBPV spread is crucial to our understanding of the dynamics of the disease. Laboratory experiments show that adult workers are very susceptible to CBPV infection by injection. Inoculated bees usually show symptoms of paralysis at about 5 or 6 days postinoculation (p.i.), appearing feeble and exhibiting the same trembly movements as bees infected naturally in the field. These individuals remain alive for several more days (10). However, despite the efficiency of virus inoculation in laboratory trials, CBPV infections have never been related to Varroa destructor infestations (15), and the virus has not been reported in this parasite
 

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