Foundationless - practical tips for starting

[colinc]

Burn me as a heretic if you like


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[Beefriendly]

You can laugh all you want ... just tell us one thing ... with all these people who claim to be able to dowse or divine ... are you just not a little bit curious as to whether you may be one of them ... you'll never know until you try !

I wasn't laughing just point out where you can purchase the tools for the job...
That's just it Parglye they all claim to be able to dowse/divine etc but when tested or challenged all fail miserably.
The science that showed the world wasn't round has also convincingly demonstrated that dowsing/Ley lines are figments of our imagination.
Problem is we we want to believe, so many do, it's easier seeing trickery and illusion than the bare truth....although quantum physics is going off in some pretty weird directions.

And yes tried in my youth, several of us. Due to the fine balance of the rods, any slight decline or downward hand slant caused them to cross....it didn't take much science to work that out. Try it when you are giggling and you can find millions of ley lines!
Its no coincidence that around 75% of the members of the USA Water Dowsing "Guild" are geologists.

 

[pargyle]

I saw a TV program where they went to a dowsing gathering and asked dowsers to find the bottle of water under buckets. The odds were high approaching 50:50 and the dowsers (with some very fancy rods as well as some plain coathangers), despite their confidence, generally failed miserably. Enough proof for me.


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You should not believe everything you see or read in the media ... A rod in the hand is worth two on the telly ...

 

[pargyle]

I....although quantum physics is going off in some pretty weird directions.

And yes tried in my youth, several of us. Due to the fine balance of the rods, any slight decline or downward hand slant caused them to cross....it didn't take much science to work that out. Try it when you are giggling and you can find millions of ley lines!

I can't disagree with what's happening in quantum physics at present - so far from my studies at Portsmouth Poly in the 1960's it's almost unbelievable - indeed - some of it IS unbelievable but perhaps they will prove it, in the meantime I will accept that what they are demonstrating and observing is feasible until their ability to prove it catches up.

Perhaps as age moves on your ability to keep the rods steady improves ... I don't find it a problem once you have got them straight and level to keep them that way ... although giggling and alcohol could have a slightly detrimental effect.

Perhaps, now you are of a more mature and serious standing, it's time to revisit the jollity of dowsing in your youth with a more measured approach and perhaps a steadier hand and a more tuned mind ?

My dowsing rods are hand turned in yew with copper clad welding rods as the indicators, finely balanced and very easy to use. I'd offer to send you some but they are in such demand that I can't keep pace with production.

 

[Millet]

I have seen this discussion previously on here and i am 50:50 on if or how it works.
I used to help a old farmer several years back with his lambing and also unblocking his field drains, and he used to use dowsing rods to find the drains in his fields, i even seen the two rods move one time when he was trying to show me how to do it, i can't do it by the way my magnets must be weak, he did find most of the drains without digging half the field up though so i will stay neutral on the subject unless anyone has 100% scientific video footage of it working.

 

[Beefriendly]

My dowsing rods are hand turned in yew with copper clad welding rods as the indicators, finely balanced and very easy to use. I'd offer to send you some but they are in such demand that I can't keep pace with production.

Very kind thought...but have garage full of copper wire.

 

[For want of a better word]

Very kind thought...but have garage full of copper wire.

I should weigh it in and buy some decent beekeeping kit with the cash you get!


Nos da

 

[Beefriendly]

I should weigh it in and buy some decent beekeeping kit with the cash you get!

I don't think you can help yourself can you....back under your bridge.
Your posts seem designed to impugn/imply/denigrate/imply superiority etc etc .... write sensibly and you might be surprised by the considerate responses.

 

[pargyle]

Very kind thought...but have garage full of copper wire.

See ... you are already thinking laterally - it's just one small step to bending a couple of bits and you are up and running ...

 

[Curly green fingers]

Good point Colin... Dowsing is an "OLD CRAFT" that predates Ley Lines which was something made up by some bloke so he could write a book about it... found in the FICTION dept in most libraries!

This seem to be the problem... these lines of force or whatever they are have been dubbed Leylines.. which were lines of orientations that were man made or natural that appeared to line up... a typical nonsense pounce upon by those who are not gifted with so called supernatural powers.... nothing to do with Dowsing at all.

The lines that I detect with a couple of bits of bent wire when I think Bees do not seem to be electromagnetic, and do not follow overhead cables, in fact can run at angles to them with no apparent influence.
However, when Western Power could not find a live power cable running across my paddock, I managed to locate it exactly by dowsing, and the rods totally ignored lines that I knew intersected in an old oak where bees regularly swarm.

I have no explanation.... except perhaps there are anomalies in the Earths fields that bees navigate with, and orientate to.... that others can sense as well???

Yeghes da

Don't ley lines run north to south and east to west ? Years ago when my grandad bought the glibes we had a lady who use to help on the land and she helped find all the springs via dowsing . women seem to have a NAC for this some how better than men

 

[For want of a better word]

Don't ley lines run north to south and east to west ? Years ago when my grandad bought the glibes we had a lady who use to help on the land and she helped find all the springs via dowsing . women seem to have a NAC for this some how better than men

I read a book on Leylines... seemed to bee the poppycock that some of the trollist on this forum like to level at the more informed, reasonable and open minded forum members.

In future I will refer to the use of Dowsing Rods as oppose to the imaginary Leylines.......

Yeghes da

 

[Curly green fingers]

I read a book on Leylines... seemed to bee the poppycock that some of the trollist on this forum like to level at the more informed, reasonable and open minded forum members.

In future I will refer to the use of Dowsing Rods as oppose to the imaginary Leylines.......

Yeghes da

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[pargyle]

I read a book on Leylines... seemed to bee the poppycock that some of the trollist on this forum like to level at the more informed, reasonable and open minded forum members.

In future I will refer to the use of Dowsing Rods as oppose to the imaginary Leylines.......

Yeghes da

I don't think that will let you off the hook with some on here !! Nice try though ...

 

[domino]

In future I will refer to the use of Dowsing Rods as oppose to the imaginary Leylines.......

I'm sticking to throwing chicken bones into an upturned dustbin lid. You heathens won't divert me from the true path.

 

[fatshark]

xkcd.com and the link between crazy phenomena and the economics of capitalism ... dowsing gets a mention

 

[pargyle]

xkcd.com and the link between crazy phenomena and the economics of capitalism ... dowsing gets a mention

Ok :what about acupuncture then - or osteopathy? Hardly a scientific basis for either of these but they work ? I think this cartoon is classing thjngs that are loony with things that seem loony but appear to work ... who knows what's inside a bee's brain and what hidden senses they have available that humankind had lost through lack of use or not needing them .... animals have much greater developed senses than humans - much that we don't know and don't understand.

 

[colinc]

Acupuncture and osteopathy both cause scientifically measurable effects and so can’t be compared to homeopathy and Ley lines. Dowsing specifically falls into a slightly different category as statistical proof that it works isn’t there but it remains unexplained.



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[coffindodger]

Acupuncture and osteopathy both cause scientifically measurable effects and so can’t be compared to homeopathy and Ley lines. Dowsing specifically falls into a slightly different category as statistical proof that it works isn’t there but it remains unexplained.

True, but worth noting that acupuncture, osteopathy and aromatherapy were once regarded as bonkers. The "mechanics" behind them are slowly being understood, but because there was a measurable effect it was worth investigating the reality and ignoring the hocus pocus mythology which surrounded the techniques.
The dowsing controversy is muddy water because of very varied claims. That a strip of difference; water pipes, conduits, etc can be detected is my own experience and that of other contributers to this thread. The challenges of finding points such as hidden bottles of water seem to be quite different and experiments have not shown any positive results. This difference may be quite significant in finally understanding what is going on.
One factor does seem to be that a person needs to be involved. I was challenged by a friend to mount rods on a wheelbarrow and show an effect. I couldn't do it, but that may have been due to the metal of the barrow, bumps, etc. No idea; it was just half an hour one afternoon. Whether you could mount them on a dog or sheep could be an interesting experiment.
I suggest that the subject of ley lines or other phenomena should be considered as different to the 'common or garden' dowsing where an underground strip is found by walking the rods over a discrete area. I've no opinions about leylines or similar.

 

[Poly Hive]

The problem with Osteopathy until some ten years ago was anyone could use the word.

Now anyone practising has to have attended and passed the exams of the University College of Osteopathy. https://www.uco.ac.uk/

I have used them over many years and they have kept me in both employment and able to keep bees.

In my mind, I see no connection in the validation between aroma therapy and osteopathy.

One of my practitioners was on duty for the Royal and Ancient for the Open at St Andrews. So obviously a total fraud.........not.

PH

 

[Wingy]

Ok have I missed something here? But what has dowsing rods, lay lines, acupuncture or osteopath got to do with setting up a hive to go foundationless?