Flow Hive - more info

[einsteinagogo]

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I wonder if all these people who have 'ordered' their flow hives realise that, with crowdfunding, they are not protected by the normal laws and regulations covering retail purchases or on line selling that operate in most countries and are quite strict in Australia ... there's a bit of a gap in the protection fence normally available to people spending their money ...

No they don't because they think it's an Online Order, that's the way some crowdfunding sites are disguised, as an Online Order, Click and Pay.

They do not understand, they have just made a donation, or some comments, I have read are starting to suspect this!

e.g. even if you have Paid through Paypal, as a Donation, Paypal is unlikely to refund your money! Because you gave it away!

What they also do not realise, is there will be no money back guarantee, when they get their flow hives, they do not work, broken, need replacements etc

because the items have been Gifted to the Backers, as a thanks for their donation!

However, with all this money, Flow-Hive, could become a Beekeeping Equipment Specialist, and also sell Bees, and all the equipment required as well to support their Flow-Hives, which would be smart!

 

[Dishmop]

However, with all this money, Flow-Hive, could become a Beekeeping Equipment Specialist, and also sell Bees, and all the equipment required as well to support their Flow-Hives, which would be smart!

more likely that they will declare they have no money because their financial advisor stole it.

 

[jreis]

Crowd Funding Scams

more likely that they will declare they have no money because their financial advisor stole it.

Just as a warning, I and over 1000 others have been scammed by one of IGG's clients - Nanoplug, a hearing aid. It was a blatant fraud from the beginning that no one became aware of until about 6 weeks after closing the funding when little comments unanswered became more worrisome. Now you cannot find mention of Nanoplug on IGG. Nanoplug could still be found on Facebook as of last Sat but IGG seems to have blocked or erased all traces of them on their web site. I also noted on Flow Hive they have stretched their new delivery date out to Dec 2015, which could be a bad sign??? Sometimes things are just too good to be true. Especially with $millions in hand and very little recourse.

 

[oliver90owner]

Not read this thread and not even clicked on it either. Anyone bought one yet? Such a good idea should not be overlooked by the experts on the forum. Get one and evaluate it. Put your money where your mouth is.

My advice is avoid it like the plague until proven. Bye

 

[einsteinagogo]

Not read this thread and not even clicked on it either. Anyone bought one yet? Such a good idea should not be overlooked by the experts on the forum. Get one and evaluate it. Put your money where your mouth is.

My advice is avoid it like the plague until proven. Bye

It's not an Online Purchase, it's a Donation/Pledge, and in return you may get a GIFT or PERK sent to you, if you Pay the P&P to the Andersons, and then pay the Import Duty and VAT, and Administration Fee to Parcel Force, starting December 2015...

It will be interesting to see what the Retail Cost of the device will be when they have sent them all to their Backers, and if Thornes and all, will take them in the catalogue.

I love the Comments....

"i’ve aways wanted a bee hive, but i’m allergic to bees. but with new way to collect the honey,i fell i can have one now!!!!

thank you !!! what a fantastic idea….. Ric Jensen"

So this guy is not going to manage them at all, and just take the honey from the front without getting stung!

Umm!!

It's like a Disney Cartoon! Maybe they'll get Disney Bees'

This forum going to get busier, with 24,500 new Flow owners!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

This forum going to get busier, with 24,500 new Flow owners!

all waiting for them to arrive

Soon it will be added to the list of great lies
'Your flo hive will be with you soon' will be added to 'the cheques in the post' and 'I promise i won't....................'

We all laughed at all those conspiracy theorists who say the recordings of the moon landings all took place in a Californian filum studio - now I'm not so sure.............................

 

[einsteinagogo]

from the Site:-

Ask them Anything Live!

Hi everyone,


We are less than nine hours away from going live on Reddit for our AMA (Ask Me Anything)

You can ask us about Flow™ Technology, bees, inventing, or really anything that takes your fancy.


If, like us until a couple of days ago, you have no idea what a Reddit AMA is, it’s all outlined nicely here:http://bit.ly/1CP1ZKI


We will be taking questions from 8.30am, Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST), Friday 10 April at http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/, and will be answering as many as we can from 9am until 10am.

If you’re not sure what time this is in your area, here are some of common timezones:

North America:

EDT Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 7pm

PDT Thursday, April 9, 2015 at 4pm

Europe:

CEST Friday, April 10, 2015 at 1am

United Kingdom:

London: BST Thursday, April 9 at Midnight

Australia:

AEST: Friday, April 10, 2015 at 9am

AWST: Friday, April 10, 2015 at 7am


For all other timezones please visit: http://bit.ly/1CP10do


We look forward to answering your questions.

 

[BeeJayBee]

We look forward to answering your questions.[/I]

Here's an interesting one, from somewhere on this page http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/321wo6/iama_we_are_stuart_and_cedar_anderson_the/

Q. If the hive gets AFB or some other disease, would this mean the frame would have to be destroyed or can it be sterilised?

[–]FlowHive
Ans. We hope no one needs to destroy the Flow Frames! The two options are irradiation and chemical treatments. We will have detailed instructions on how to sterilise your frames for American foul brood in the manual that will be provided with the frames.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Up another million and ten days to go.......$9,033,987USD

 

[For want of a better word]

Just as a warning, I and over 1000 others have been scammed by one of IGG's clients - Nanoplug, a hearing aid. It was a blatant fraud from the beginning that no one became aware of until about 6 weeks after closing the funding when little comments unanswered became more worrisome. Now you cannot find mention of Nanoplug on IGG. Nanoplug could still be found on Facebook as of last Sat but IGG seems to have blocked or erased all traces of them on their web site. I also noted on Flow Hive they have stretched their new delivery date out to Dec 2015, which could be a bad sign??? Sometimes things are just too good to be true. Especially with $millions in hand and very little recourse.

Hear Hear !!!

Yeghes da!

 

[For want of a better word]

all waiting for them to arrive

Soon it will be added to the list of great lies
'Your flo hive will be with you soon' will be added to 'the cheques in the post' and 'I promise i won't....................'

We all laughed at all those conspiracy theorists who say the recordings of the moon landings all took place in a Californian filum studio - now I'm not so sure.............................

You mean those guys really did not land on the Moon... a fake.. a scam ... a downright lie.... how could that be... our fiends across the pond would never stoop so low ... shirley?????


Yeghes da

 

[dexter's shed]

I've been following the flow hive since they started adverts on facebook, also have a friend living in Oz who reckons he's seen lots of them there being used, in the first few weeks I too thought it was a scam of sorts, but with the amount of media coverage they now have, and all the video, I very much doubt it is, will be interesting to see if all the orders are filled by December, but also interesting to see all doubters eat their words

 

[Finman]

but also interesting to see all doubters eat their words

When normal yield may bee in Australia 600 lbs /hive,

I want to see, what kind of shed is needed to store and bottle honey jars.

10 hives on back yard and 6000 jars shed. And label machine.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Just as a warning, I and over 1000 others have been scammed by one of IGG's clients - Nanoplug, a hearing aid. It was a blatant fraud from the beginning that no one became aware of until about 6 weeks after closing the funding when little comments unanswered became more worrisome. Now you cannot find mention of Nanoplug on IGG.

Looks as if it's reappeared, along with some very dissatisfied customers if the comments are anything to go by.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/nanoplug-the-world-s-first-invisible-hearing-aid

 

[Jugular]

After having read the thirty pages of bah humbug and ill-informed naysaying I thought I'd serve up your first helping of jollity from the first of the naive unwashed masses to arrive at this forum shortly after pledging for a full Flowhive (including a brood box and queen excluder, just so you know).

I have not kept my own bees before. My family, however, has a long tradition of keeping bees on a small scale and I've helped "inspect" the frames once or twice as a kid. I've long wanted to keep bees and only recently have we settled into our new home enough to consider making it a reality. This indiegogo campaign came along at an ideal moment allowing us to use it as a commitment device. We know we're not yet ready and clued up enough to keep bees but with the hive not arriving till (at the earliest) Dec, and as I suspected, not being able to bring bees into it until the Spring at the earliest, this gives us time to do our research, get on a course and gather the other essentials.

I was hoping to come on here or join a local group to ensure I can get the best advice on all this but the willingness here to add uninformed comment and outright distaste for anyone willing to put their time and money into the hobby has me getting second thoughts of engaging at all. Now, I know from having spent too many hours on forums that the gobbiest among you are likely just a fraction and probably not representative of the community as a whole but here is an opportunity to make yourselves known; we're erecting a fence at the northernmost border of our property, to prevent the toddlers from drowning in the fairly fast flowing stream there, just beyond is mature woodland, at the western end there is a spot beneath a cherry tree in full sun for most of the day but sheltered from wind, at the other end is a summer house which shields the sun till midday from another potential spot beneath a young hazel tree (it's sunny afterward). The fence goes in next week, which end should I ensure is left with enough space to site the hive? Any other tips on siting?

 

[einsteinagogo]

Congratulations on the purchase of your new Flow Hive, and welcome to forums.

Personally, I would not site a hive under a tree, I found in my garden, rain dripping on the roof from the branches, upset the bees. So I moved it out, so no drips could drip onto the hive.

I face the entrance so they are in full sun, I also found my hives shaded by trees, caused the bees to be lazy, and didn't get out until late, 10am, and were back in at 5pm, compared to other hives in full sun.

You may want to ensure you have enough space, either side of the hive 3 feet, so you can set up another hive.

I'm sure you may be able to join an association this year, and maybe follow an existing Beekeeper, to gain experience, it's maybe not too late, to start a hands on course, for 6 weeks over the summer period...

and then, there's reading....I like the Haynes Manual to Beekeeping, Beekeeping A Novice's Guide by David Wootton, of course there's the Ted Hoopers Bible, which is a bit heavy going!

and of course this forum....where you can get advice....

 

[theeggman]

To the forum Jugular.
If it's any consolation Beehaus and TBH owners get stick on here as well but they do get lots of good advice as well. Stick with us, you'll find the expertise very useful

 

[Ely]

After having read the thirty pages of bah humbug and ill-informed naysaying I thought I'd serve up your first helping of jollity from the first of the naive unwashed masses to arrive at this forum shortly after pledging for a full Flowhive (including a brood box and queen excluder, just so you know).

I have not kept my own bees before. My family, however, has a long tradition of keeping bees on a small scale and I've helped "inspect" the frames once or twice as a kid. I've long wanted to keep bees and only recently have we settled into our new home enough to consider making it a reality. This indiegogo campaign came along at an ideal moment allowing us to use it as a commitment device. We know we're not yet ready and clued up enough to keep bees but with the hive not arriving till (at the earliest) Dec, and as I suspected, not being able to bring bees into it until the Spring at the earliest, this gives us time to do our research, get on a course and gather the other essentials.

I was hoping to come on here or join a local group to ensure I can get the best advice on all this but the willingness here to add uninformed comment and outright distaste for anyone willing to put their time and money into the hobby has me getting second thoughts of engaging at all. Now, I know from having spent too many hours on forums that the gobbiest among you are likely just a fraction and probably not representative of the community as a whole but here is an opportunity to make yourselves known; we're erecting a fence at the northernmost border of our property, to prevent the toddlers from drowning in the fairly fast flowing stream there, just beyond is mature woodland, at the western end there is a spot beneath a cherry tree in full sun for most of the day but sheltered from wind, at the other end is a summer house which shields the sun till midday from another potential spot beneath a young hazel tree (it's sunny afterward). The fence goes in next week, which end should I ensure is left with enough space to site the hive? Any other tips on siting?

Welcome to the forum first of all. And secondly, many beekeepers on this forum have been keeping bees for many decades so the term 'uninformed' wouldn't have been my choice of words. The opinions expressed in this thread are well thought out from very experienced beekeepers that have a very good understanding of likely problems that may arise. Stick around and these beekeepers will help and guide you.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

After having read the thirty pages of bah humbug and ill-informed naysaying I thought I'd serve up your first helping of jollity from the first of the naive unwashed masses to arrive at this forum shortly after pledging for a full Flowhive (including a brood box and queen excluder, just so you know).

I have not kept my own bees before. My family, however, has a long tradition of keeping bees on a small scale and I've helped "inspect" the frames once or twice as a kid. I've long wanted to keep bees and only recently have we settled into our new home enough to consider making it a reality. This indiegogo campaign came along at an ideal moment allowing us to use it as a commitment device. We know we're not yet ready and clued up enough to keep bees but with the hive not arriving till (at the earliest) Dec, and as I suspected, not being able to bring bees into it until the Spring at the earliest, this gives us time to do our research, get on a course and gather the other essentials.

I was hoping to come on here or join a local group to ensure I can get the best advice on all this but the willingness here to add uninformed comment and outright distaste for anyone willing to put their time and money into the hobby has me getting second thoughts of engaging at all. Now, I know from having spent too many hours on forums that the gobbiest among you are likely just a fraction and probably not representative of the community as a whole but here is an opportunity to make yourselves known; we're erecting a fence at the northernmost border of our property, to prevent the toddlers from drowning in the fairly fast flowing stream there, just beyond is mature woodland, at the western end there is a spot beneath a cherry tree in full sun for most of the day but sheltered from wind, at the other end is a summer house which shields the sun till midday from another potential spot beneath a young hazel tree (it's sunny afterward). The fence goes in next week, which end should I ensure is left with enough space to site the hive? Any other tips on siting?

Welcome to one of the first Barnumites to join the forum - nothing like walking into the room with both guns blazing

South or South East facing is always best - try and avoid overly shaded areas although a little shade is no bad thing. A lot of my hives are under or near the cover of trees and it dosn't seem to do them any harm. The cherry tree site sounds OK.
as the rest - use this summer to join an association and get some hands on experience so everything won't be a surprise (apart from you flo hive ariving December) when you have your own colony.

 

[theeggman]

Am I correct in thinking that the flow hive is only the 'super' element on a standard BB?
If so, if the expected issues arise, all will not be lost as the addition of 'normal' supers would give a workable conventional hive set-up and any bees resident in the BB won't need to be evicted.