Emergency Queen Cells. Eggs or larvae?

[Anduril]

Not sure about that, there was a difference in performance in the resulting queens and even higher levels of superseded queens that Autumn….if I have time I’ll try and dig it out.

I was going by the information in the above video from 11.21

 

[Anduril]

If you want, you can use emergency queens in your hives. Sometimes they look more like worker bee.

The tesearch says, that most UK beekeepers do not mind, do they get honey or not fron their hives.

In the video David Tarpy disagrees with you.

 

[Finman]

In the video David Tarpy disagrees with you.

David Tarpy can think about me what he wants.I select my queens, not he.

 

[Ian123]

In the video David Tarpy disagrees with you.

It makes you wonder why all these international queen breeders across the globe go to so much trouble!!

 

[Erichalfbee]

There is also research around showing queens resulting from emergency cells are smaller/lighter….

They will save the colony pro tem though

 

[Ian123]

They will save the colony pro tem though

They sure will and many will go on to be just fine…

 

[JamezF]

Not sure about that, there was a difference in performance in the resulting queens and even higher levels of superseded queens that Autumn….if I have time I’ll try and dig it out.

I did some hunting about this a few weeks back and if I recall correctly posted a quote from some research (with a link to the original I think) suggesting that the age of the comb may be a/the significant factor in the development of emergency queens, presumably because the bees find it more difficult to remodel old comb containing material from lots of pupa cases into the best possible queen cell, whereas altering relatively new comb is much easier.

James

 

[Ian123]

Yes I’ve seen something similar but it was not the research I was referring to. I think the piece you found speculated that much of the royal jelly was used to float the larvae out the cell and was unavailable for consumption?

 

[JamezF]

Yes I’ve seen something similar but it was not the research I was referring to. I think the piece you found speculated that much of the royal jelly was used to float the larvae out the cell and was unavailable for consumption?

That certainly rings a bell so I must have read it somewhere. I've no idea if it was the same one or not though.

James

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

and as if by magic...
Post #20
https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threads/introducing-a-queen.53082/post-828286

 

[Antipodes]

Little bit @Erichalfbee about egg destruction at around 42:45 onwards in the video @Anduril linked (in case you didn't get that far).

 

[Finman]

Yes I’ve seen something similar but it was not the research I was referring to. I think the piece you found speculated that much of the royal jelly was used to float the larvae out the cell and was unavailable for consumption?

Oh dear... never seen that or not even thincked it.

 

[Ian123]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...queen_cell_production_in_the_honey_bee_colony

 

[Antipodes]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...queen_cell_production_in_the_honey_bee_colony

Interesting 26% torn down and nearly 40% mortality.

 

[Ian123]

Here’s another showing difference’s in queens depending on cell typehttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/348128181_Effects_of_rearing_method_on_some_morphological_and_reproductive_organ_characteristics_of_queen_honey_bees_Apis_mellifera_L

 

[Finman]

Here’s another showing difference’s in queens depending on cell https://www.researchgate.net/public...eristics_of_queen_honey_bees_Apis_mellifera_L

 

[Finman]

Here’s another showing difference’s in queens depending on cell typehttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/348128181_Effects_of_rearing_method_on_some_morphological_and_reproductive_organ_characteristics_of_queen_honey_bees_Apis_mellifera_L

I did not understood the meaning of the research. Why 3 days old larvae were not in comparision.

1 day old larva is an ordinary crafting age.

As another research told, the 3 days old larvae will emerge first and those will be queens in hives.

 

[Finman]

Emergency queens have never been a problem to me. It is better than nothing.