Electric motor

[dpearce4]

Where can I purchase a replacement electric motor for my 20 frame dadant extractor. I am waiting on them getting back to me but wondered if there are any cheap companies in the uk that sell similar?

 

[itma]

Too late for me to go looking tonight, but ISTR that there have been threads on here previously about motor *repair* being the cheap option.
Typical problem (from memory) was a simple capacitor replacement in the speed control circuitry?

ADDED/// Try this http://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=30875&highlight=capacitor
Goodnight!

 

[oliver90owner]

Motor type? Some do have electronic speed control but others have a variable timing sort of squirrel cage motor, where the brush gear appears to simply short out the induced armature currents in a controlled manner.

Mine is currently blowing fuses but I have not yet isolated the problem - windings or wiring/switch connections The old spinner motor will likely have to be pressed into action.

 

[nantmoel]

Machine mart do loads of different motors - take a look there

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I believe Veg found a good UK source for a replacement motor - maybe PM him?

 

[For want of a better word]

Try Nisala Germany... although motor and control gear looks as if it was manufactured in China


Yeghes da

 

[dpearce4]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z7338cdhypqt3wu/20150901_120828.mp4?dl=0

this is a vid of the motor running if it helps anyone suggest what sort of motor it is and wats wrong with it.

 

[itma]

I'm not sure that's a motor problem ... sounded to me like there could be a tooth missing from one of the cogs in the gearbox.
Rotating the cage by hand, forwards 20° then back 10° and repeat for at least one full rotation should allow you to feel whether there is a spot on the rotation that feels different - either 'lumpy' or loose.

Looked like the motor war turning ok ...

 

[For want of a better word]

Have you tried running the motor without any load... even to the extent of opening the gearbox, with ITMA on this broken tooth or possibly a bit of metal casing dropped into the bevell gears... get the toolkit out!!

Good luck

Yeghes da

 

[dpearce4]

am I right the gearbox is the bit where it goes 90o from the motor onto the main spindle? sorry I have never done mechanical stuff before, can do wood and building stuff but this is all new to me.

 

[REDWOOD]

am I right the gearbox is the bit where it goes 90o from the motor onto the main spindle? sorry I have never done mechanical stuff before, can do wood and building stuff but this is all new to me.

Yes...... sounds like somethings gone Pee Tong, only way is to strip it down and replace what's broken, if you can still get the parts

 

[denise washington]

get some tools round it doug cant hurt nothing if its already broke you never know you might just find out what's wrong and save you some cash but leave hammer and chisel in tool box

 

[For want of a better word]

am I right the gearbox is the bit where it goes 90o from the motor onto the main spindle? sorry I have never done mechanical stuff before, can do wood and building stuff but this is all new to me.

Looks like a simple bevel drive direct from the motor to the shaft... may even just need filling with grease to take up wear.
Alternatively... particularly after initial investigation... motor winding or ballast capacitor may be US... pro repair.....
It is surprising the number of small workshops carrying out repairs on electric motors and controls, lurking in sheds all over the country.... worth seeking out!

Yeghes da

 

[Plenty of honey]

Electric Motor

I have an old but working well 12 framed Thomas extractor in France here. Bought it off a mate last winter. Had the internal frame Holders shot blasted and resprayed came up brill. The only problem i have is the motor control lever is stiff, and too stiff. I dont like using it as it feels as though i would break or bend it. Any Ideas anybody before i take it in to the local motor shop here, who i think they will fix, but???
Thanks in advance

 

[For want of a better word]

I have an old but working well 12 framed Thomas extractor in France here. Bought it off a mate last winter. Had the internal frame Holders shot blasted and resprayed came up brill. The only problem i have is the motor control lever is stiff, and too stiff. I dont like using it as it feels as though i would break or bend it. Any Ideas anybody before i take it in to the local motor shop here, who i think they will fix, but???
Thanks in advance

If is a "pot winding" electrical control as on dp's... take it to an expert!

Yeghes da

 

[Plenty of honey]

Thanks icanhopit, but whats a "pot winder"

 

[itma]

am I right the gearbox is the bit where it goes 90o from the motor onto the main spindle? sorry I have never done mechanical stuff before, can do wood and building stuff but this is all new to me.

Yes there are some gears in the box between the motor and the extractor cage shaft. It might even be that the bearing has failed, so the gears don't mesh properly.
However, that doesn't look like a current product.
Which may make repair difficult to the point of being uneconomic.
I've no idea whether your motor (and cage-shaft) would fit onto a current-model gearbox.

However, ISTR that Park Beekeeping at Blackheath do offer a service of attaching a new motor (and gearbox) onto almost any extractor. Usually this can mean them making up an adaptor to go between the old extractor shaft and the shaft coming out of the new gearbox.
If you really don't have a clue about this stuff, you are going to have to trust a specialist of some sort or other.

It'd probably help to try and identify *where* the problem lies, even if you can't tell exactly what it is or how to fix it.
As I suggested previously, gently rotate the cage by hand, working it to and fro, feeling for any part of the rotation that doesn't feel the same.

 

[itma]

Thanks icanhopit, but whats a "pot winder"

I think he may mean that you might have a wound 'potentiometer' (a wire coil, giving variable resistance to a contact moved along it) to give control of motor speed.

 

[Plenty of honey]

I think he may mean that you might have a wound 'potentiometer' (a wire coil, giving variable resistance to a contact moved along it) to give control of motor speed.

Yes thats it , its a middle position for nothing and forward and reverse in different speeds the more you go back or forward. Might well take it to someone who knows! thanks for the advice!!

 

[itma]

... ISTR that Park Beekeeping at Blackheath do offer a service of attaching a new motor (and gearbox) onto almost any extractor. Usually this can mean them making up an adaptor to go between the old extractor shaft and the shaft coming out of the new gearbox.
If you really don't have a clue about this stuff, you are going to have to trust a specialist of some sort or other.
...

Take a look

We are very experienced in converting most types of Honey Extractors. We offer both a conversion kit, or alternatively we can undertake a complete installation.

Our service includes more than just the motor as we will complete all the required engineering work. This includes bearings, alteration of the drive shaft and additional couplings where required.

All complete installations are P.O.A, so please e-mail or telephone us for details.

http://www.parkbeekeeping.com/products/category/honey-extractor-motor-conversions
But sadly unlikely to be "cheap" ...