Dock and bees

[jenkinsbrynmair]

That's what we do when we spray our gravel drive, as close to dusk as possible.

Also a good time for the spray to take effect - plants take a lot down first thing in the morning with the dew - so the stuff is in place for the best effect

 

[Finman]

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This is better than dig roots.

This is a Roundup stick. You fill the tube with 50% Roundup . Then herbicide makes the wik tip wet and you touch the plant.

 

[Ddogs]

Try Hebridean sheep. They love docs ,scrub,gorse etc. not so interested in grass though.

 

[Ddogs]

Round up kills bees !!! .........according to ; http://kojoreport.com/bees-distroye...esearch-proving-monsantos-roundup-kills-bees/

 

[Finman]

Round up kills bees !!! .........according to ;

why not cows?

I have friends who know that fertilizers are poisons.
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[Into the lions den]

Round up kills bees !!! .........according to ; http://kojoreport.com/bees-distroye...esearch-proving-monsantos-roundup-kills-bees/

Boy, thats some authoritative arcticle. Nice conspiracy theorist / anti everything type website, and cant even spell 'destroyed'. Total bunkum, but will have its followers on here for sure.

FWIW we use roundup (or equivalents) to clear deep rooted and persistent stuff from our permanent (bar heather time) bee sites, and it get s rid of almost everythng except 'Sticky Willie' aka Cleavers, aka Goose Grass, which it seems to feed, and later you have to do it again as you get a solid flourish of young Docks comes up.

Never EVER, over 20 odd years of using it, seen a single negative symptom in the bees.

 

[Luminos]

If you have an outbreak of Sticky Willie, best get medical advice rather than try and treat it with Roundup

 

[Finman]

Never EVER, over 20 odd years of using it, seen a single negative symptom in the bees.

I have had 30 years hives in a rural village. Every year farmers use roundup on their fields under radius 1 km. And they are vast areas. It is round up when you see reddish brown field in summer.

Now normal procedure is to put roundup into field and after 3 weeks they saw spring rape.

 

[Ddogs]

Well like most people these days we must do our research and come to our own conclusions. I guess the bayer,Monsanto and numerous other companies press officers come up with equally dismissive comments.
I take it that those who are sure that it is safe are equally qualified to dismiss the numerous articles linking bee deaths to roundup or any other product.
We must all be aware of possible dangers.

Interesting that some people rate validity of information upon spelling.

 

[Into the lions den]

Interesting that some people rate validity of information upon spelling.

Authoritative peer reviewed articles are proof read. Spelling errors give away the fact that is neither authoritative nor peer reviewed. That article and even more so the website carrying it read very similar to some of the works of David Icke. Tinfoil hat stuff again.

If you want to make your judgements on that sort of article that is very much your own decision. I, and I am sure most current users, will continue to use the products of this nature, and will continue to see no harm to the bees in them.

 

[Finman]

We must all be aware of possible dangers.

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And read idiots' writings? Is that to be "aware". To live all the time like hare shooted to its arse.

Get a life!


History of Roundup

In May of 1970, a Monsanto chemist named John Franz synthesized
N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine. Four years later, the compound, dubbed
"glyphosate," hit the market as the active ingredient in Roundup
herbicide.

It has been used widely 40 years and we must be aware when its harms apper...

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[Skyhook]

Boy, thats some authoritative arcticle. Nice conspiracy theorist / anti everything type website, and cant even spell 'destroyed'. Total bunkum, but will have its followers on here for sure.

Lots of opinions and no education. What I believe over there would count as a redneck.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Interesting that some people rate validity of information upon spelling.

Yep!

If they can't be bothered to check their own work for mistakes, it's a fair judgement that the rest is also likely to be, errm, less than accurate.

We have used roundup on our driveway for years. We choose a dry day when no rain is forecast and spray in the evening after all but the mosquitoes have gone to bed. The wretched things never sleep!

 

[richardbees]

not only the cause of his bees dying, but also possibly the cause of Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD

what a hero - that's got to be worth a Nobel prize.....can he have a try at White Nile Fever next?

 

[PBee]

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FWIW we use roundup (or equivalents) to clear deep rooted and persistent stuff from our permanent (bar heather time) bee sites, and it get s rid of almost everythng except 'Sticky Willie' aka Cleavers, aka Goose Grass, which it seems to feed, and later you have to do it again as you get a solid flourish of young Docks comes up.

Never EVER, over 20 odd years of using it, seen a single negative symptom in the bees.

Why not use a weed barrier material as a footprint for each hive?. It's a once off low tech solution and should cost less, financially and environmentally, than repeated spraying.

The problem with using honeybees as an indicator of safety is obvious enough. Here is a selection of environmental effects of glyphosate with links to peer reviewed science from the American Bird Conservancy ... https://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/toxins/profiles/glyphosate.html

 

[Into the lions den]

Why not use a weed barrier material as a footprint for each hive?.

1. Not our land and we need to do as the owner wishes, and they all request either roundup equivalent or nothing except chopping down.

2. For fast working we need to clear the site, not just a footprint. Brambles, nettles, and docks are our main hates.

Most of our sites are transient, in for a few weeks and gone again, so only ever get the 'cut down with a sickle' type treatment. The number we treat with 'roundup' whilst the bees are in residence is pretty low, maybe 10 a season.

 

[PBee]

I use old half galvanize sheets but hives are on single steel stands so its easy to just lay out the sheets and put the stands and hives on them. Also, I use mostly forestry sites which commonly have gravel areas so no barrier needed. Entirely different scale though.

 

[Skyhook]

Why not use a weed barrier material as a footprint for each hive?. It's a once off low tech solution and should cost less, financially and environmentally, than repeated spraying.

The problem with using honeybees as an indicator of safety is obvious enough. Here is a selection of environmental effects of glyphosate with links to peer reviewed science from the American Bird Conservancy ... https://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/toxins/profiles/glyphosate.html

Weed barrier material on its own will just get pushed up by growth. With a pallet on it, works a treat.

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