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yes, reallyReally??????????????
yes, reallyReally??????????????
Well I didn't know that! So I can sell honey in plain jars at my gate with no details or anything on?yes, really
They know where you live, so the legislative duty is covered. It does say so in the regs.Well I didn't know that! So I can sell honey in plain jars at my gate with no details or anything on?
No you cannot as you are not Welsh. You are governed by "The Honey (England) Regulations 2015". Maybe what the Welsh sell as honey is not honey at all!Well I didn't know that! So I can sell honey in plain jars at my gate with no details or anything on?
The English honey regulations are the same aas the Welsh onesNo you cannot as you are not Welsh. You are governed by "The Honey (England) Regulations 2015". Maybe what the Welsh sell as honey is not honey at all!
Two dazzling inaccuracies/untruths here which makes me question the whole thingHi .. do you have your honey tested for pestcides? .. we were supicious as to why every year WIIS tests on reported bee losses never found the single most common pestcide in the whole world. The pesticide Bayer just paid out over £8 billion in the USA over, regarding cancer cases. Last winter we lost 31 out of 44 colonies, mostly absconding. We sent off bees to Natural England and they tested positive , for the 3rd year running with fungicide azoxystrobin, but that was dismissed by NE (FERA) and not the cause of the colonly losses (for the 3rd time) .
Tony Juniper and his Natural England didn't think of it ? so we took 7 samples of stores from hives that had died out and paid over a grand to have them tested by the same company that Rowse use.
All 7 samples came back as positive with between 170 and 560 x the legal food limit of glyphosate in them (not quite the concentration to use our honey as a week killer). We recived written confirmation from the HSE that their tests of our honey (food standard) may take a little longer as
FERA had no stadard test for glyphosate.
So it appears that FERA (privately owned) subscribes to the Donald Trump school of transparency .. if you don't test for it you wont find it.
I will happily post the whole sorry story here if people think it will be of use but in the mean time if anybody wants 300kg of glyphosate contaminated honey for free let me know as otherwise we will have to pay to have it disposed of. It looks to us like glyphosate is the #1 suspect of CCD.
Well done you. Why don't you contact Rusty, scientificbeekeeping.com he is very interested in CCD and was hypothesing about Armitraz.Hi .. do you have your honey tested for pestcides? .. we were supicious as to why every year WIIS tests on reported bee losses never found the single most common pestcide in the whole world. The pesticide Bayer just paid out over £8 billion in the USA over, regarding cancer cases. Last winter we lost 31 out of 44 colonies, mostly absconding. We sent off bees to Natural England and they tested positive , for the 3rd year running with fungicide azoxystrobin, but that was dismissed by NE (FERA) and not the cause of the colonly losses (for the 3rd time) .
Tony Juniper and his Natural England didn't think of it ? so we took 7 samples of stores from hives that had died out and paid over a grand to have them tested by the same company that Rowse use.
All 7 samples came back as positive with between 170 and 560 x the legal food limit of glyphosate in them (not quite the concentration to use our honey as a week killer). We recived written confirmation from the HSE that their tests of our honey (food standard) may take a little longer as
FERA had no stadard test for glyphosate.
So it appears that FERA (privately owned) subscribes to the Donald Trump school of transparency .. if you don't test for it you wont find it.
I will happily post the whole sorry story here if people think it will be of use but in the mean time if anybody wants 300kg of glyphosate contaminated honey for free let me know as otherwise we will have to pay to have it disposed of. It looks to us like glyphosate is the #1 suspect of CCD.
This appears to give the meaning of honey and not refer to the labelling other than what the product actually is within the definition of honeyNo you cannot as you are not Welsh. You are governed by "The Honey (England) Regulations 2015". Maybe what the Welsh sell as honey is not honey at all!
Can you refer me to the paragraph please. I know we have discussed labelling a million times on here but I have never seen anywhere that honey sold from your own premises to a third party does not need a label!They know where you live, so the legislative duty is covered. It does say so in the regs.
If I’m wrong I’ll put my hands up straight away.Really??????????????
Can you refer me to the paragraph please. I know we have discussed labelling a million times on here but I have never seen anywhere that honey sold from your own premises to a third party does not need a label!
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I think it's in the labelling regulations rather than the honey regulations per se. I would have to go through it all again to find it, it only stuck in my mind after a debate on here a few years ago and I happened to be checking up on stuff when my own lables were being designed.Can you refer me to the paragraph please. I know we have discussed labelling a million times on here but I have never seen anywhere that honey sold from your own premises to a third party does not need a label!
Thanks
You lost 31 out of 44 colonies in Oxfordshire last winter?Hi .. do you have your honey tested for pestcides? .. we were supicious as to why every year WIIS tests on reported bee losses never found the single most common pestcide in the whole world. The pesticide Bayer just paid out over £8 billion in the USA over, regarding cancer cases. Last winter we lost 31 out of 44 colonies, mostly absconding. We sent off bees to Natural England and they tested positive , for the 3rd year running with fungicide azoxystrobin, but that was dismissed by NE (FERA) and not the cause of the colonly losses (for the 3rd time) .
Tony Juniper and his Natural England didn't think of it ? so we took 7 samples of stores from hives that had died out and paid over a grand to have them tested by the same company that Rowse use.
All 7 samples came back as positive with between 170 and 560 x the legal food limit of glyphosate in them (not quite the concentration to use our honey as a week killer). We recived written confirmation from the HSE that their tests of our honey (food standard) may take a little longer as
FERA had no stadard test for glyphosate.
So it appears that FERA (privately owned) subscribes to the Donald Trump school of transparency .. if you don't test for it you wont find it.
I will happily post the whole sorry story here if people think it will be of use but in the mean time if anybody wants 300kg of glyphosate contaminated honey for free let me know as otherwise we will have to pay to have it disposed of. It looks to us like glyphosate is the #1 suspect of CCD.
In the Honey (England) Regulations 2015 it states in Part 1 1(2) These Regulations apply to England onlyThe English honey regulations are the same aas the Welsh ones
It is inferred - part four is called additional labelling requirements. It does not apply to Wales, but Trading Standards Labelling applies to England and Wales. See linkThis appears to give the meaning of honey and not refer to the labelling other than what the product actually is within the definition of honey
I wouldn't not label it. I want people to know who I am so they come back for more. My labels comply completely and occasionally I sell to local stores so I need them . I just couldn't believe that you can sell to anyone from your gate with no labels at all. The implication for additional labelling requirement doesn't really hold water as it may say somewhere else when you do or don't need a label. Therefore if you need one I can understand there may be additional requirements. But if you don't need one that would not apply. Would still love to see where it says you don't need a label!In the Honey (England) Regulations 2015 it states in Part 1 1(2) These Regulations apply to England only
It is inferred - part four is called additional labelling requirements. It does not apply to Wales, but Trading Standards Labelling applies to England and Wales. See link
Labelling of honey | Business Companion
So you do need a label not all the info required for selling at the gate, but why not look professional hey.
AndIn the Honey (England) Regulations 2015 it states in Part 1 1(2) These Regulations apply to England only
Yes, the regulations are slightly different, I can't even remember how I got to the legislation but it was a roundabout way and took ages following references and links. But I'm sorry, at the moment trying to find it when I don't even need it it get's slotted in the CBA pigeonholeSo this seems to be in opposition to what you say but it is guidance to the law and not the actual regulation
This guidance is for England and Wales
Prepacked honey must be labelled with its name, the name and address of the producer / packer, country of origin, storage conditions, a best-before date, lot mark, and weight marking. The product may only be called 'honey' if it complies with the prescribed compositional standards.
This advice applies to all sales of honey to consumers and food businesses.
Last winter we lost 31 out of 44 colonies, mostly absconding. We sent off bees to Natural England and they tested positive , for the 3rd year running with fungicide azoxystrobin, but that was dismissed by NE (FERA) and not the cause of the colonly losses (for the 3rd time) .
Tony Juniper and his Natural England didn't think of it ? so we took 7 samples of stores from hives that had died out and paid over a grand to have them tested by the same company that Rowse use.
All 7 samples came back as positive with between 170 and 560 x the legal food limit of glyphosate in them (not quite the concentration to use our honey as a week killer). We recived written confirmation from the HSE that their tests of our honey (food standard) may take a little longer as
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