Bringing manuka honey home from NZ

[irishguy]

Hype ? I used Honey Tulle (BP) in NHS clinical practice back in the 1970's. We had several patients who had been admitted with pressure sores, and another - who was diabetic - with leg ulcers which simply refused to heal. When the use of Honey Tulle was recommended for these patients, every single person in the team was sceptical, as these were the days before the Internet, and we had no way of knowing back then that honey has been used in wound dressings for centuries.

The results were nothing short of miraculous - within a few days, skin tissue began to granulate, and in a very short time these wounds were completely healed. Honey had worked where more modern patented concoctions had persistently failed.

Prior to using Honey Tulle, we had been forced to sprinkle antibiotic powder (streptomycin, if memory serves) directly onto exposed tissue (i.e. open wounds) - hardly desirable, but deemed necessary in order to prevent infections which might have led to septicaemia - but Honey Tulle enabled us to dress these wounds without such antibiotics. It was brilliant - and in my professional judgement, a vastly under-rated therapeutic substance.

In short - you have never been so wrong.

LJ

I seen a uk bee documentary on TV about a guy who caught this flesh eating bug that was ravaging through his body at a fast rate. The docs hit it with all the man made meds they could think off but to no avail. They where even going to start cutting limbs off untill Someone suggested 'manuka honey' and low and behold, few weeks later it was all cleared up but hay, that manuka honey should be used as a toilet cleaner instead lol. I thinks its justva case of some old folk on here set in their ways and just go with whoever spouts crap about this manuka honey and more or less joins the bandwagon slating it. There could also be vested interests talking down this honey down as well.

 

[Chrisfnvs]

Don`t forget our own English Heather Honey, it is just as good if not better than Manuka and a bit cheaper

 

[irishguy]

Don`t forget our own English Heather Honey, it is just as good if not better than Manuka and a bit cheaper

Any proof?

 

[Alabamaeee]

MRSA, honey and a doctor who swears by honey for wound healing...

http://www.salisburypost.com/2014/1...-honey-doctor-believes-in-its-healing-powers/

 

[Bosleeu]

Because it's foul tasting rubbish - just a con trick by the New Zealanders to get rid of c@ap honey that noone in their right mids in new Zealand would buy

I agree, nobody in NZ likes the taste of the stuff, it used to be blended to taste better, then they came up with the idea to market it as some superhoney and claim all sorts of benefits - most of it applicable to any honey. Honey is great as we all know but I am not convinced that Manuka is worth all the fuss. I stick with normal local honey for work and my own consumption. And for honey-vodka of course.

 

[Bosleeu]

MRSA, honey and a doctor who swears by honey for wound healing...

http://www.salisburypost.com/2014/1...-honey-doctor-believes-in-its-healing-powers/

Yes honey can work for wounds infected with MRSA I have used it myself for that. Had a very good response.

 

[Bosleeu]

I know this, I've read up on this on a few occasions. There's companies out there mixing manuka honey with other honey and calling it manuka and others are just blatantly lying with none what so ever mixed.
Comvita and manuka health is the 2 I've tasted. Are they both real manuka honeys, I don't know but I know one thing, I liked both of them. Even if this honey I'm getting isn't truely manuka honey, I don't care. What I'll be happy with is that I'll getbto taste 2kg of honey from the other side of the world. Any beek who turns down such an offer is a nutjob of the highest caliber IMO!!

Just go to you local supermarket most of their honey is probably from the other side of the world.

 

[Little John]

There could also be vested interests talking this honey down as well.

There certainly has to be some reason why honey has never caught on as a therapeutic agent - could well be the result of Smith-Kline-French and others 'steering' the health products market ?

There's plenty of articles on the web about trialling honey, but what I find odd is that I was using this 40 years ago. 'Twas used in folk/military medicine hundreds of years ago - and yet it's only in the last decade or so that people have woken-up to it's potential.

Here's a few links to get started, if anyone's interested:

http://www.woundsinternational.com/news/honey-removes-dead-tissue-faster-than-hydrogel

http://www.drgrotte.com/honey-medicine.shtml

http://www.nhsgrampian.org/grampianfoi/files/ActivonTulle_p9

http://www.advancis.co.uk/uploads/f..._primary_care_jackie_stephen-haynes_et_al.pdf

... and here's one a bit closer to home:
http://www.ibra.org.uk/articles/honey-and-granulation-in-diabetic-foot-wounds
in which they say:

All variables in both groups which were age, wound size, HbA1c, haemoglobin level, serum albumin level, absolute lymphocyte count and ankle-brachial systolic pressure index (ABSI), were comparable and were found not to be statistically significant to influence the primary outcome. Tualang honey induced granulation and exhibited beneficial action in promoting wound healing which was comparable to the more established manuka honey. The result suggests that tualang honey could be used as an alternative therapeutic agent for diabetic foot wounds with similar beneficial effects as those expected for manuka honey.

So it appears that (maybe) it's honey per se which is the desirable substance, and that it's actions are not restricted solely to Manuka honey - although that stuff certainly has a therapeutic track record.
Maybe Manuka's 'acquired taste' lends itself more to being applied to skin lesions, rather than toast ? I say that in jest, as I've never actually tasted it - probably never will, as I don't really like honey very much.

LJ

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I seen a uk bee documentary on TV about a guy who caught this flesh eating bug that was ravaging through his body at a fast rate. The docs hit it with all the man made meds they could think off but to no avail. They where even going to start cutting limbs off untill Someone suggested 'manuka honey' and low and behold, few weeks later it was all cleared up but hay, that manuka honey should be used as a toilet cleaner instead lol. I thinks its justva case of some old folk on here set in their ways .

No IG - it's you that just doesn't geddit - again! it's good as a wound dressing - not for human consumption

Don`t forget our own English Heather Honey, it is just as good if not better than Manuka and a bit cheaper

Plus portobello honey from Scotland and many from Wales

Any proof?

Yes, plenty - that's why the Wales parmocological college is doing yet more work on the project.
Difference between Manuka and British honey - British honey is good to eat as well

 

[mbc]

There certainly has to be some reason why honey has never caught on as a therapeutic agent -

???!!!!

It has, ever heard of hot toddies?
My family has always used honey as a pick me up and to soothe upset tummies, sore throats and topically on wounds.
It is sold by the tea spoon as medicine in many African markets and I wouldn't have thought there's many places on earth where it's beneficial qualities aren't known apart from some western suburbia.(Boston uk?)

 

[irishguy]

No IG - it's you that just doesn't geddit - again! it's good as a wound dressing - not for human consumption



Plus portobello honey from Scotland and many from Wales


Yes, plenty - that's why the Wales parmocological college is doing yet more work on the project.
Difference between Manuka and British honey - British honey is good to eat as well

Can you tell me why manuka honey isn't good to eat as well? Am I missing something here

 

[roche]

Can you tell me why manuka honey isn't good to eat as well? Am I missing something here

I think JBMs problem is that it isn't welsh...

 

[Erichalfbee]

Can you tell me why manuka honey isn't good to eat as well? Am I missing something here

It all depends on your tastebuds
To most it tastes terrible.

 

[irishguy]

It all depends on your tastebuds
To most it tastes terrible.

He said 'not good'

 

[irishguy]

I think JBMs problem is that it isn't welsh...

Starting to think this myself because it sure does sound like he's sure got something against it and I don't think its just taste.

 

[Swarm]

What JBM is saying about the ..... stuff ... is quite true. Just a foul tasting honey from a forage source that gives it the UMF. Used in dressings to combat typical 'hospital bugs', open wounds and such, trouble is there's nothing new or unique about this, Henry V had an arrow wound to his face treated with honey poultices.
Very recent research has proven that most British honey is just as efficient and some samples were markedly better than manuka.
The gullible consumer has fallen for the marketing, most people who ask about my honey mention they buy it. Strangely, they don't seem to want to believe me when I tell them they are wasting their money. Perhaps they think I'm trying to con them into buying mine?
Sad state of affairs.

 

[Jonathan]

What I would say IG is just get some. Why you are asking for opinions is beyond me given you never seem to take any on board!

 

[Hivemaker.]

He said 'not good'

You may find it is not as good as English honey, but better than Irish honey.

 

[irishguy]

What I would say IG is just get some. Why you are asking for opinions is beyond me given you never seem to take any on board!

If you'd take time to read the OP instead of jumping to conclusions then you'll understand your comment is nonsense. Nowhere in this thread was I looking to know if manuka honey is good to base my decision on getting some. Like I said before, go read OP!!

 

[irishguy]

What JBM is saying about the ..... stuff ... is quite true. Just a foul tasting honey from a forage source that gives it the UMF. Used in dressings to combat typical 'hospital bugs', open wounds and such, trouble is there's nothing new or unique about this, Henry V had an arrow wound to his face treated with honey poultices.
Very recent research has proven that most British honey is just as efficient and some samples were markedly better than manuka.
The gullible consumer has fallen for the marketing, most people who ask about my honey mention they buy it. Strangely, they don't seem to want to believe me when I tell them they are wasting their money. Perhaps they think I'm trying to con them into buying mine?
Sad state of affairs.

Yes but with that every British research showing that your honey is better, you'll find 10 more in NZ studies that show that manuka is better. Like I've mentioned before, I believe manuka honey has better uses than your ordinary British honey but that isn't the reason for this thread. As for the studies, its just who's bullSh1t you believe the most. Remember, all them studies whether its British, Irish or NZ, they all have vested interests in their own honey and with that, there's always going to someone fiddling information.