Bee base. I can't believe it

[beehive1234]

all this experimenting on our vulnerable wild life leaves me cold. thank goodness for people like Chris Packham who quite rightly in my view has criticized the programme I have hated from the start.....IAACGMOOH. It seems to me that their is a group of human beings that think that wild life is an expendable commodity, to be plundered and used in their never ending pursuit of getting financially better off.
Perhaps Bee base, is run by people who care not a jot about bees, but see it as a way of making money?
Experimenting, Killing and Exploiting the Wild Life that should be our gift to our children, rather than, electronic gadgets, is unforgiveable, and they will not only be the poorer in financial terms for our generation, but also in the state of the world we are leaving them.
I dread to think what the young men who died in the trenches would think of what has become of the beautiful countryside they left behind and died for.
We should be looking at what the bee would naturally CHOOSE.
In this country a tree or a chimney......
Something that will not change over the winter
They are able to adapt and make the best of what they have chosen to live in at the beginning winter. Would you wake up any other hibernating creature?
Of course in nature this might drastically change through weather conditions etc. Some would overcome, Some would expire.
We however would like them to survive in the boxes we have given them because we have removed all the dyeing trees in our stupid effort to tidy up. One of the idiot ideas that man has, that he, can control nature and make it do what he, wants it to do. That he, is in control. Probably the biggest lesson man has to learn is that he is not in control and never will be.

 

[beehive1234]

In fact, how do we know that a future generation won't have to deal with a commit, that was put on a course for the earth because a small amount of weight added to it today?

 

[alanf]

At the LASI IPM workshop they advocated opening hives up regularly to check for brood before carrying out OA sublimation. This was questioned by members of the audience but they said they had no issue with doing it and it was routine for them. As madasafish says, all about local climates, their apiaries are South Coast.

Not so much local climate, it's about standard conditions. If you're testing the efficiency of varroa treatments as they were, you need identical starting conditions. Or as near identical as you can put together, and ensuring broodless conditions is one way of doing that.

It could be that the experimental base conditions are ideal for the treatment, or there may be alternatives such as multiple doses. But initially, too many variables just confuses what you're try to test.

 

[farbee]

In fact, how do we know that a future generation won't have to deal with a commit, that was put on a course for the earth because a small amount of weight added to it today?

Well because they can calculate its trajectory so well that they can land a spacecraft on it from a huge distance which means they can calculate the effect of the impact on its future trajectory. A truly remarkable achievement, which if you think about it, means they are a lot better at astrophysics than us.

 

[Hivemaker.]

all this experimenting on our vulnerable wild life leaves me cold.

Chuck another log on the fire.

 

[madasafish]

Well because they can calculate its trajectory so well that they can land a spacecraft on it from a huge distance which means they can calculate the effect of the impact on its future trajectory. A truly remarkable achievement, which if you think about it, means they are a lot better at astrophysics than us.

Us?

How can you tell?
For all you know we might have a whole number of brilliant astrophysicists on here, posting incognito and hiding their brilliance behind holes in crownboards and matchsticks.

 

[Arfermo]

At the LASI IPM workshop they advocated opening hives up regularly to check for brood before carrying out OA sublimation.

Why? Reasons please. I sublimate but have never opened the lid beforehand as there ain't no purpose in doing so. Quite bonkers but it's only my opinion anyway.

 

[mbc]

Bit of a disconnect here between research and general practice. Sacrificing a few insects to further our knowledge and understanding of them so as to potentially better care for them in the future should be perfectly acceptable to all but the most delusional.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Perhaps Bee base, is run by people who care not a jot about bees, but see it as a way of making money?

You obviously don't have much of an idea what beebase is by the sounds of it, and regardless of their flwed feeding/overwintering advice all responsible beekeepers should know exactly what its main purpose is

 

[Stiffy]

In fact, how do we know that a future generation won't have to deal with a commit, that was put on a course for the earth because a small amount of weight added to it today?

Never thought about that one but I became worried when they sent the rocket up and put another hole in the ozone layer! No wonder we have global warming!!!!!!
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[oliver90owner]

I wont be worrying about that small weight. That comet is not spherical and may well break up as it passes close to the Sun anyway. Further, what do you think makes the 'tail' of a comet. Certainly not fresh air! It is subliming away all the time, particuarly when that close to the Sun.

Earth gains about 80 tonnes of space dust every day, but it is fairly spherical, so when it finally lands on the surface it will be fairly evenly diluted over the surface.

By the time that comet returns, humans may well be extinct anyway. Edit: Oops, this one has an orbital period of only a few years.

 

[sussexbaker]

Why? Reasons please. I sublimate but have never opened the lid beforehand as there ain't no purpose in doing so. Quite bonkers but it's only my opinion anyway.

The approach they advocated was a single treatment by OA sublimation during a broodless period. To ensure that it was broodless they said to inspect the hive before treating, and if necessary destroy any brood present. This was what they advocated as treatment, not what they did for the purposes of research.

When a member of the audience questioned opening hives in winter one of the LASI staff (I can't remember if it was one of the PHD students or the unit's beekeeper) said that they regularly opened up in the hives in all weathers without any negative inpact on the bees and saw no problem with doing so.

Having read a lot around the subject (particularly the threads on here) I've decided to go down the three treatments five days apart without opening up the hive.

 

[Little John]

The approach they advocated was a single treatment by OA sublimation during a broodless period. To ensure that it was broodless they said to inspect the hive before treating, and if necessary destroy any brood present. This was what they advocated as treatment, not what they did for the purposes of research.

I can see a kind of logic behind their approach - but the idea of pulling frames out to kill brood in winter is - imo - as near to insane as it's possible to get. Also - it's just so much unnecessary extra work.

Having read a lot around the subject (particularly the threads on here) I've decided to go down the three treatments five days apart without opening up the hive.

That sounds far more sensible. (Although I plan on sticking with just the one hit - as it's been enough for me so far ...).
LJ

 

[itma]

The approach they advocated was a single treatment by OA sublimation during a broodless period. To ensure that it was broodless they said to inspect the hive before treating, and if necessary destroy any brood present. This was what they advocated as treatment, not what they did for the purposes of research. ...

Somehow, somewhere, (possibly in the head of the speaker) this has got twisted around.

This was what they did for their research.
And now they are advocating that others do it.

Oddly enough, the LASI researchers aren't necessarily very good beekeepers. They actually have a beekeeper to look after the colonies for them.

said that they regularly opened up in the hives in all weathers without any negative inpact on the bees and saw no problem with doing so

Yep, didn't think there might be any problem, did it to all the hives, and saw no difference between them…

 

[madasafish]

Somehow, somewhere, (possibly in the head of the speaker) this has got twisted around.

This was what they did for their research.
And now they are advocating that others do it.

Oddly enough, the LASI researchers aren't necessarily very good beekeepers. They actually have a beekeeper to look after the colonies for them.

Yep, didn't think there might be any problem, did it to all the hives, and saw no difference between them…

If that is the overall standard of beekeeping there, ALL the bees would be mighty uppity so not much difference between any of them...

 

[user 6228]

Somehow, somewhere, (possibly in the head of the speaker) this has got twisted around.

This was what they did for their research.
And now they are advocating that others do it.

Oddly enough, the LASI researchers aren't necessarily very good beekeepers. They actually have a beekeeper to look after the colonies for them.

Yep, didn't think there might be any problem, did it to all the hives, and saw no difference between them…

 

[Hebeegeebee]

I much prefer to leave my bees the way they would want - with the crownboard joints completely propolised, so draught-proof. If I have need to open them, I strap them down to pull the joints tightly together. Just seems like common sense to me.

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Agreed.
Bees have evolved to seal up the hive with propolis. it's what they do. Why do we thing we're so clever to jack open the top of the hive when it's against the bees own instinct - and dare I say it, best interest.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

This was what they did for their research.
And now they are advocating that others do it.

Oddly enough, the LASI researchers aren't necessarily very good beekeepers. They actually have a beekeeper to look after the colonies for them.

That's the thing - they're not beekeepers and their heads are stuck so far up their groves of academia they don't really think in the real world

 

[midnight sun]

Get your Xmas bee saver kit here...https://www.foe.co.uk/page/get-your-bee-saver-kit

I think I'd rather buy one of MBC's 'magic stones' for oxalic acid treatment. Sounds like a better deal!

 

[farbee]

Somehow, somewhere, (possibly in the head of the speaker) this has got twisted around.

This was what they did for their research.
And now they are advocating that others do it.

Oddly enough, the LASI researchers aren't necessarily very good beekeepers. They actually have a beekeeper to look after the colonies for them.

Yep, didn't think there might be any problem, did it to all the hives, and saw no difference between them…

But if almost all those hive thrived in spring wouldn't that mean it can't be too detrimental?