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ninth_toe

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Hi, I provide honey to a shop that would like to offer it as a refill / bring the jar back option. Ideally would like to do it from a nice glass container rather than a bucket with gate valve. Honey doesn't flow through a small drinks tap though in the one I tried which is very small bore. I might be able to drill a bigger hole for a gate valve but seems a challenge in thick glass. Wondered if any great ideas out there for honey dispensing please!
 
Yes, it's messy. It might be me, but even with a good purpose designed bucket and gate valve I still always have a bowl of warm water to hand.
What is their turnover like? It will slowly crystallise and become more viscous.
Less viscous the higher the temp.
Someone with experience of this might come on with more positive comments. Sorry
 
I don't really see how you could avoid the mess with a 'dispenser', no matter how good it was. Could you not just offer a discount for a new jar when they bring their old one back? That way at least they're 'recycling' the jars (whether you reuse them yourself - always dubious about this myself - or just put them in the recycling). As drex says, you'll get even more problems as the contents start to crystallise. You'd also have to completely empty the dispenser and clean it out before you re-filled it again. You can't just top it up.
 
Thanks for the help. To add more info this shop is a (trendy) refill /eco type shop so very intersted in that (as am I! ). I warm the honey before taking it to the shop so it will last last a month or two before recrystallising and be sold by then. So really looking for a nice looking shop floor solution.
 
Hi, I provide honey to a shop that would like to offer it as a refill / bring the jar back option. Ideally would like to do it from a nice glass container rather than a bucket with gate valve. Honey doesn't flow through a small drinks tap though in the one I tried which is very small bore. I might be able to drill a bigger hole for a gate valve but seems a challenge in thick glass. Wondered if any great ideas out there for honey dispensing please!

Probably nothing available - Nice idea ... why do you think nobody has ever done it ?

1. Messy - honey drips
2. Viscosity - it's slow to pour
3. Hygiene - who cleans up the tap and with what ?
3a. Hygiene - who gets the blame when the re-used jars are not cleaned properly and the honey goes mouldy ?
4. Weighing - how do you control the weight sold ?
5. Whose jars ?
6. Vacuum as level goes down - it will need a lid you can loosen and ...
7. ...Every honey bee within miles will find it as soon as they smell it.
8. Honey labelling requirements for retail sale of honey - legal requirement.
9. You as the producer could be held responsible.
10. Is the USP selling it for less or saving the planet with fewer jars used

Not negative - just realistic. There's easier ways to cause yourself pain in beekeeping ...
 
Just buy a flow hive with a tube to the outside world…………………….
 
Thanks for all the help everyone much appreciated

I will need to look at the Dunelm one to see if the tap is a larger bore

Norfolk honey: Ooh, now THAT'S what I'm looking for, do we know where it is? (Norfolk?!) I'll message Pete D

Thanks Pargyle for the comments, most of those are covered as the shop specialises in refills, so we've already been doing this for a while but I would like a nicer container.
 
Norfolk honey: Ooh, now THAT'S what I'm looking for, do we know where it is? (Norfolk?!) I'll message Pete D
Pete lives near King's Lynn if I remember rightly. Also, I seem to remember that it was the honey dispenser's one and only outing.
He only pops on the forum now and then these days.
 
Ah, thats a challenge then. I used google lens on the image and found that dispenser but I worry it only has a small bore outlet again - but the picture would imply that it works which would be great. Currently, my mechanical engineering grad son is calculating the necessary diameter to fill a 1lb jar in 1 minute (!)
 
That is assuming the viscosity of the honey will be constant, which it won't be. It will change from crop to crop and with temperature
 
Abelo offer a heated transparent bottling tank for £450; photo shows buttons for heating, but not the tap. A light in the base would boost sales.
Picking up on Eric's post (but not directed at him). Exercise caution when ever honey is heated, it can and does cause food safety issues. The higher than typical specific heat capacity of honey, coupled with viscosity can cause localised superheating and the production of hydroymethylfurfural (which is broadly recognised as a precursor molecule in forming acrylamide - linked as cancer causing in non-human studies). Any reducing sugar can generate hmf, including glucose and fructose. When we have to heat honey (commercially) we always utilise indirect heat and active scraped surface agitation to mitigate localised superheating as much as possible. We would avoid heating pure honey above 30'C average. From the pictures it is not clear whether the Abelo 'heater' complies with food safety 'best practice'. Suggest cautious evaluation before any purchase. To heat honey in any way takes you outside the honey regs and into mainstream food safety legislation where there is a considerably higher knowledge burden expected and requirement for the demonstration of food safety compliance via HACCP. Even within the honey regs heating is referenced S1.8d & HMF limits are referenced S1.Criteria:6. These crude references are there to telegraph a cross reference for less informed compliance officers and prompt compliance escalation.
 
Picking up on Eric's post (but not directed at him). Exercise caution when ever honey is heated, it can and does cause food safety issues. The higher than typical specific heat capacity of honey, coupled with viscosity can cause localised superheating and the production of hydroymethylfurfural (which is broadly recognised as a precursor molecule in forming acrylamide - linked as cancer causing in non-human studies). Any reducing sugar can generate hmf, including glucose and fructose. When we have to heat honey (commercially) we always utilise indirect heat and active scraped surface agitation to mitigate localised superheating as much as possible. We would avoid heating pure honey above 30'C average. From the pictures it is not clear whether the Abelo 'heater' complies with food safety 'best practice'. Suggest cautious evaluation before any purchase. To heat honey in any way takes you outside the honey regs and into mainstream food safety legislation where there is a considerably higher knowledge burden expected and requirement for the demonstration of food safety compliance via HACCP. Even within the honey regs heating is referenced S1.8d & HMF limits are referenced S1.Criteria:6. These crude references are there to telegraph a cross reference for less informed compliance officers and prompt compliance escalation.
But once it’s sold to the shop and that shop does something to it ( heat for example) doesn’t the responsibility of the beekeeper end?
 
But once it’s sold to the shop and that shop does something to it ( heat for example) doesn’t the responsibility of the beekeeper end?
I would take that interpretation as well. Since the beek was investigating options, I took it from the original 'question' that the beek was responsible for stock and sale, with the 'shop' simply taking a 'facilitation margin'. Hence the cautionary note. R
 
Exercise caution when ever honey is heated
I agree, but if it began to crystallize, it would only need 24 hours of warmth to clear it.
But once it’s sold to the shop and that shop does something to it ( heat for example) doesn’t the responsibility of the beekeeper end?
Probably true, but if it all went wrong and the shop staff forgot to turn off the heat or allowed wasps to turn up for the drips, it could all end in tears. Reckon the beekeeper would want to train staff or have some oversight of the stock.
 

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