Alternatives to Buckfast bees

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I'm sorry but you have slotted yourself well into the ridiculous claim catgegory when you state that black bees only collect dark honey and the lighter ones don't.What a preposterous statement.

 

[For want of a better word]

I'm sorry but you have slotted yourself well into the ridiculous claim catgegory when you state that black bees only collect dark honey and the lighter ones don't.What a preposterous statement.

JBM...these off shore bunnies have no local knowledge... just trot out the same old cut and paste hogwash and piffle so much loved by the true blue ... "according to Hooper.".. BBKA brigade!

Nos da

 

[Finman]

JBM...these off shore bunnies have no local knowledge... just trot out the same old cut and paste hogwash and piffle so much loved by the true blue ... "according to Hooper.".. BBKA brigade!

Nos da

But we have Ice Ace knowledge, how a bee with African genes thrive on arctic tundra.

 

[Fusion_power]

I'm sorry but you have slotted yourself well into the ridiculous claim catgegory when you state that black bees only collect dark honey

I think you mis-read my statement. I said that under the same condtions, Italians would make light colored honey and black bees would make dark honey. The black bees preferentially visited different flowers than the Italians. In this case, you don't know anything about conditions where I live. As for ICanHopIt, I'm still waiting for a post demonstrating knowledge of the difference between a geographical race and a subspecies. Are black bees the most recent group to travel out of Africa? Maybe all he does is Hop around the facts.

 

[Finman]

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15 years ago Black bee was considered as a anchestor of all bees, even Apis ceranea.

There was beautiful theory, how Ice Ace split the population, and how Continent of Africa joined to Europe.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

The black bees preferentially visited different flowers than the Italians. In this case, you don't know anything about conditions where I live.

And you obviously don't have a clue to conditions or bee types for where I live. Your statement is still ridiculous. Akin to one of our beginners who thinks manuka honey is collected by a variety of apis called manuka bees

 

[Fusion_power]

So now we have a disparity. I know for a fact that the black bees common in the U.S. until 25 years ago were consistent in making very dark honey in spring. They collected from Tulip Poplar which is dark reddish but a good table honey. This would almost always be mixed with another honey that was much darker and for which I do not know the source. They foraged extensively on brambles which bloom about 2 weeks prior to the main flow. Brambles in this area produce a relatively intense flavored amber honey. At the same time the black bees were making their dark honey, a colony of Italians would forage on fruit bloom, brambles, Tulip Poplar, clover, then Sourwood. The darkest honey in this group is Tulip Poplar which is dark reddish but still a good table honey. So another question, do your black bees collect a lot more pollen than Italians? The bees we had were pollen pigs, collecting twice as much pollen as comparable Italians. They stored the pollen anywhere in the hive including in the honey supers. This affected the honey quite a bit because the pollen content was much higher from honey made by black bees. It was also a positive because there is a local market for honey with very high pollen content. As background, the black bees we had were most likely either Dutch or German in origin.

I'm still waiting for you or Hop to post something useful about the difference between a subspecies and a geographical race. So far, all either of you has managed to do is say "he doesn't know what he's talking about" and laugh like crazy. Has either of you spent time studying other Geo-races of bees?

 

[B+.]

S the black bees common in the U.S. until 25 years ago were consistent in making very dark honey in spring. They collected from Tulip Poplar which is dark reddish but a good table honey. This would almost always be mixed with another honey that was much darker and for which I do not know the source. ....

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As background, the black bees we had were most likely either Dutch or German in origin.

It sounds to me that you are talking about the nectar they gather at a particular time of year rather than that bee producing only dark honey (which is obviously ridiculous).
The German/Dutch bees that you speak of are likely to have developed their own regional differences since the land masses became separated (as, indeed, the British bees would). I don't know where this idea that a bee behaves the same in all areas came from, but, it is lunacy. Genetics, forage, weather and management all play a part in the behaviour of the bees.

 

[Finman]

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Luckily my bees are crossblood, and they pick all kind of nectar colors from pastures.

I have never met, that pastures are so plenty that bees can select, what they forage. And when we look the yields of Fusion Power, pastures are not good on those latitudes.
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[For want of a better word]

So now we have a disparity. I know for a fact that the black bees common in the U.S. until 25 years ago were consistent in making very dark honey in spring. They collected from Tulip Poplar which is dark reddish but a good table honey. This would almost always be mixed with another honey that was much darker and for which I do not know the source. They foraged extensively on brambles which bloom about 2 weeks prior to the main flow. Brambles in this area produce a relatively intense flavored amber honey. At the same time the black bees were making their dark honey, a colony of Italians would forage on fruit bloom, brambles, Tulip Poplar, clover, then Sourwood. The darkest honey in this group is Tulip Poplar which is dark reddish but still a good table honey. So another question, do your black bees collect a lot more pollen than Italians? The bees we had were pollen pigs, collecting twice as much pollen as comparable Italians. They stored the pollen anywhere in the hive including in the honey supers. This affected the honey quite a bit because the pollen content was much higher from honey made by black bees. It was also a positive because there is a local market for honey with very high pollen content. As background, the black bees we had were most likely either Dutch or German in origin.

I'm still waiting for you or Hop to post something useful about the difference between a subspecies and a geographical race. So far, all either of you has managed to do is say "he doesn't know what he's talking about" and laugh like crazy. Has either of you spent time studying other Geo-races of bees?

HOGWASH!

You should stop trying to decipher the literacy and start breeding cats!!

Yeghes da

 

[Fusion_power]

You should stop trying to decipher the literacy and start breeding cats!!

Now we have proof that you are an educated man. You don't compose a reasonable answer to a simple question and equate literacy with literature. I wonder if JBM is similarly encumbered? Are you by chance from Gwyngilligogovich? Nobody, including me, can correctly spell the name of that place.

I'm told that hogs can be washed in a mixture of lye soap and skim milk, then rinsed with clean water to produce lustrous bristles and clean skin. Do you have experience in the process?

If you take 2 ice trays and fill one with hot water and the other with cold water straight from the tap, which one will freeze first when you put them in the freezer?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Now we have proof that you are an educated man. You don't compose a reasonable answer to a simple question and equate literacy with literature. I wonder if JBM is similarly encumbered? Are you by chance from Gwyngilligogovich? Nobody, including me, can correctly spell the name of that place.

I'm told that hogs can be washed in a mixture of lye soap and skim milk, then rinsed with clean water to produce lustrous bristles and clean skin. Do you have experience in the process?

If you take 2 ice trays and fill one with hot water and the other with cold water straight from the tap, which one will freeze first when you put them in the freezer?

So here we go, back to what he does best slinging insults and talking gibberish. Nothing else of substance in his posts anyway

 

[Finman]

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The basic question

Alternatives to Buckfast?

My country has only 2% buckfast hives.

Carniolan bees have been in Finland about 30 years.
When one guy started to import Carniolans, National beekeeper society wanted to deney the license.
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[Gaz1]

I just have local mongerls, I didn't realise bees got any softer than walking about on their comb? Mine are all but black, what do these other bees do other than collect honey? Is there really a huge difference? If your happy with some honey surely as long as bees are not aggressive who cares?

 

[For want of a better word]

I just have local mongerls, I didn't realise bees got any softer than walking about on their comb? Mine are all but black, what do these other bees do other than collect honey? Is there really a huge difference? If your happy with some honey surely as long as bees are not aggressive who cares?

Lucky you to be in an area with a good population of native Cornish black Amm!
In East Cornwall it is a struggle to keep our natives away from other breeds that are constantly imported... however we are making progress in our drone flooded and isolated sites!
Join BIPCo

Yeghes da

 

[For want of a better word]

Gwyngilligogovich...... you made that up
But tell your hero Trump that it is up for grabs and he will want to buy it to keep his hogs!

Yeghes da

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Gwyngilligogovich...... you made that up
But tell your hero Trump that it is up for grabs and he will want to buy it to keep his hogs!

Yeghes da

fair play Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch is a bit of a spelling task, especially for a race who struggle with slightly less complex words like AXE

 

[Finman]

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Johan minä sanoin. Kyllä asiat on silleen.
Hyvät toverit, onko teille jaettu kiväärit.

 

[Fusion_power]

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

Is this the short version? My great great great grandmother immigrated from there back in the late 1700's. Her version was much longer.

Carniolan - superb spring buildup, excellent honey production if properly managed, very strong swarming tendency. There are some excellent strains available in Europe. More important, there is a huge amount of breeding work going on with these bees so long term improvement is assured.

Caucasian - good performance where fall flows are the primary honey crop, very strong tendency to collect propolis. IMO, these bees are more of a niche than a mainstream breed.

Italian - excellent overall performance whether spring or fall flows, tends to maintain very strong colonies year round which can cause problems in mid-summer and during long winters where they can consume all their honey. There is a lot of work ongoing to improve Italians, but most of it is for Mediterranean climates or for migratory beekeeping.

Native black bees - exceptionally good wintering, adapted to adverse conditions, medium honey production, can be aggressive especially when crossed to other races. These bees are arguably best adapted for smallholders with a few colonies of bees that are not heavily managed.

Varroa tolerant lines - Almost all of these are mixed from other species and have multiple weaknesses including excess swarming, low total honey production, and management difficulties. The Russians widely available in the U.S. are a mix of Italian, Carniolan, and other races that were imported into the Primorsky region over 100 years ago. They encountered varroa mites at least 80 years ago and developed significant levels of mite tolerance as susceptible colonies were killed. Pure Russians require different management than other commercial bees. The most important thing happening with varroa tolerant bees here in the U.S. is that thousands of small beekeepers are changing to treatment free beekeeping. This means the genome is beginning to shift toward varroa tolerance and away from susceptible commercial breeding lines.

Some people in this world have an idiosyncrasy of using grandiloquent histrionics to discountenance impecunious abcedarians. I prefer to use simple words most people can understand.... like AXE.

Translated: they use big words to irritate neophytes.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Is this the short version? My great great great grandmother immigrated from there back in the late 1700's. Her version was much longer.

Her stutter must have been pretty bad then as it wasn't even called that then (but neither was america), it wasn't even called that when my great great great grandmother was born there around 1830 just before the victorians invented the name