Accommodation for my new swarm

[Finman]

Isn't Jonny just advocating using their willingness to draw wax in order to get himself some spare drawn super frames. He's not expecting the swarm to fill them with honey.

But you out there, you should understand that if you force bees to draw by force the combs, bees will have shorter life span. Feeding larvae is the most heavy work to bees and comb drawing is second heavy.

Beekeepers think that they can make goals to bees, and push them do what ever.

I have done same things over 40 years ago, but I have seen that those poor bugs cannot do what ever. I have forgot the word "encourage" when I play with bees.

I can say that I am able to build up fast my colonies in short summer of Finland and they get good yields. But I do not encourage them, and I do not force them. I do not set goals to them, how fast and how much.

 

[jonnybeegood]

But you out there, you should understand that if you force bees to draw by force the combs, bees will have shorter life span. Feeding larvae is the most heavy work to bees and comb drawing is second heavy.

Beekeepers think that they can make goals to bees, and push them do what ever.

I have done same things over 40 years ago, but I have seen that those poor bugs cannot do what ever. I have forgot the word "encourage" when I play with bees.

I can say that I am able to build up fast my colonies in short summer of Finland and they get good yields. But I do not encourage them, and I do not force them. I do not set goals to them, how fast and how much.

Ok so i have a swarm in a BB, waiting for a queen to mate or start laying, what would you do? Take away the foundation so they cant draw comb? Close the entrance so they cant gather nectar & have them sit saving energy for when the brood comes?
They are drawing comb so the queen has somewhere to lay, they are bringing in pollen & nectar to feed themselves & the coming young. If the queen doesnt lay for another 2/3 weeks they will fill the BB with honey in this good flow, the super gives them room to store it, i may as well have them draw it now than have the queen suddenly start to lay, find she has no room & decide to swarm again.

 

[Finman]

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You have a miracle. A swarm which is drawing combs... Difficult to add anything to that...

And a queen suddenly lays
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[jonnybeegood]

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You have a miracle. A swarm which is drawing combs... Difficult to add anything to that...

And a queen suddenly lays
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How is that a miracle Lol, a virgin or mated queen swarms, is put in a BB, they draw foundation awaiting her laying, and thats a miracle?? Thats just beekeeping fella, i think youve forgotten the basics in getting your hundreds of kilos of honey for profit.

 

[Finman]

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That is miracle when bees draw combs. Look at natural beekeepers. They are always hanging their combs and they do not mind if brood are chilled.


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[dexter's shed]

I only have the small circular entrance hole open in the poly nuc. Will that be enough ventilation.

I'm worried the entrance is so small, and there are so many bees that they will overheat. Think I may just move em to a poly brood box.

I understand you have now moved these bees into a brood box, so more for future swarms, but your first post quoted closing the ventilated floor, then you worry about ventilation

my hives all have open mesh floors, left open all year round, even the nucs are left open

 

[Finman]

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my hives all have open mesh floors, left open all year round, even the nucs are left open

Greetings from this cold country:

If you have a proper ventilation in your hive, why it should be 60 times more.
More than else, nucs need warm hive. Open mesh floor is not warm hive. 6 frame swarm is like nuc.

I know that. That is not feeling.

It I a mistake that beeks in Britain put mesh floor into nucs.
Biggest mistake is that longhive has a mesh floor. 100 times more ventilation than needed.

I have now here 23C.
After 2 days forecast is 15C.

It is brooding what needs heat, not only drawing combs. 36C is brood temp.

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[Finman]

my hives all have open mesh floors, left open all year round, even the nucs are left open

My hives started brood rearing 2 months ago, about 15.4 from zero, when willow started booming.
Now half of my hives have 4-5 langstroth boxes and 15 kg dandelion honey..dandelion stopped blooming few days ago. Now lilacs are in bloom.

How big are your hives now Dexter?

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[pargyle]

Biggest mistake is that longhive has a mesh floor. 100 times more ventilation than needed.

Hmmmm - Shhh ... better not tell my bees this fact then ....

 

[jonnybeegood]

Greetings from this cold country:

If you have a proper ventilation in your hive, why it should be 60 times more.
More than else, nucs need warm hive. Open mesh floor is not warm hive. 6 frame swarm is like nuc.

I know that. That is not feeling.

It I a mistake that beeks in Britain put mesh floor into nucs.
Biggest mistake is that longhive has a mesh floor. 100 times more ventilation than needed.

I have now here 23C.
After 2 days forecast is 15C.

It is brooding what needs heat, not only drawing combs. 36C is brood temp.

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Rubbish! All my hives & nucs have mesh floors, i took the roof off a nuc the other day when it was 12 degrees outside & the heat that came off the inside was unreal, even my nucs with 3 frames in a few week ago & 3 foundation , with mesh floors, gave off heat when opened.

 

[Finman]

Rubbish! All my hives & nucs have mesh floors, i took the roof off a nuc the other day when it was 12 degrees outside & the heat that came off the inside was unreal, even my nucs with 3 frames in a few week ago & 3 foundation , with mesh floors, gave off heat when opened.

You are a real Man!

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[jonnybeegood]

You are a real Man!

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[dexter's shed]

Greetings from this cold country:

If you have a proper ventilation in your hive, why it should be 60 times more.
More than else, nucs need warm hive. Open mesh floor is not warm hive. 6 frame swarm is like nuc.

I know that. That is not feeling.

It I a mistake that beeks in Britain put mesh floor into nucs.
Biggest mistake is that longhive has a mesh floor. 100 times more ventilation than needed.

I have now here 23C.
After 2 days forecast is 15C.

It is brooding what needs heat, not only drawing combs. 36C is brood temp.

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I understand that english is probably not your mother tongue, but I understood none of that, countries differ in the way of keeping bees, obvious by some of your remarks here, I'm not trying to run your remarks down, it's easy to see you have kept bees many years, but that's not to say it's the only way to keep bees

 

[Finman]

I understand that english is probably not your mother tongue, but I understood none of that, countries differ in the way of keeping bees, obvious by some of your remarks here, I'm not trying to run your remarks down, it's easy to see you have kept bees many years, but that's not to say it's the only way to keep bees

We have too here guys who love their mesh floors more than their bees.
Never mind about my way to keep bees. Usually I nurse my bees another way than I say.
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[Dishmop]

I understand that english is probably not your mother tongue, but I understood none of that, countries differ in the way of keeping bees, obvious by some of your remarks here, I'm not trying to run your remarks down, it's easy to see you have kept bees many years, but that's not to say it's the only way to keep bees

not according to Finman's Law.

 

[jonnybeegood]

We have too here guys who love their mesh floors more than their bees.
Never mind about my way to keep bees. Usually I nurse my bees another way than I say.
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You nurse your bees another way than you say? What does that mean?

 

[Dishmop]

You nurse your bees another way than you say? What does that mean?

That he's telling us all wrong..

 

[Finman]

That he's telling us all wrong..

It means that use your brains...

.what is the big idea to ventilate a hive 60 fold, if 1 fold is enough?

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[Dishmop]

It means that use your brains...

.what is the big idea to ventilate a hive 60 fold, if 1 fold is enough?

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To stop damp.

 

[Finman]

to stop damp.

what!!!!!!

Damp weather is going into the brood frames. To stop that you take the hive floor off. Clever.

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