Accommodation for my new swarm

[Finman]

Thanks jbm. Just looking out the window at them now. Lots of em clustered round entrance . And in the words of our finny.... I'm off to lidl now.

If all bees do not go in, the hive I too small.

 

[mintmoth]

No such thing as exactly. There is always an error tolerance of at least plus or minus one division. Any sane scientist would never quote a result without an error range. Metric is so much more useful. Pounds and ounces are old hat, overtaken by progress. Inches are useful for hobby engineers building scaled models of old Imperial items where the blueprints were in feet and inches. 10:1 is not a popular scale for that.

Next, you will be trying to tell me the average of one and two is one and a half. Now that would be real rubbish.

As I recall pounds and ounces were overtaken by the Common Market.

 

[Finman]

As I recall pounds and ounces were overtaken by the Common Market.

Back to elementary school. Splendid future is behind your back.

 

[Obee1]

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A beekeeper should be able to put a swarm into hive. It I not so difficult....
Because a swarm can go into hive itself, it should not be difficult to help bees go in.

Not a problem putting them in. Just want to maximum chances they stay. They are all insude now and have I have given them 30% syrup.

Now going to leave them alone for a few days apart from checking top feeder.

 

[oliver90owner]

As I recall pounds and ounces were overtaken by the Common Market.

Not really. Metric mass units were used in science long before I got to secondary school. Even Pounds, shillings and pence eventually got metricated, but not 'common marketised'.

Yes, I have used Btu's, ergs, dynes, calories and a few other older units, but metric is sooo easy compared to gallons, quarts, pints, gills, etc. One thousand (10^3 ) kilograms to a metric tonne is far better than 20 hundred weights (actually 112 pounds!), with quarters, stones, pound and ounces to follow on - so multiples of 20, 4, 2, 14, and 16. Even the Troy ounce was sort of metric - 30g instead of 28.3 g for the Imperial version. The series of units has changed several times over the years, but the SI system is now universal except for everyday use in the US and a few other outposts.

Think how today's students would get on with calculations! Think how much more complex the lowly calculator would need to be, what with British Imerial units (and some US measures of the same name).

No, the only fixed unit which might be regretted in the future is, I reckon, the velocity of light in a vacuum. As they delve deeper into sub atomic particle layers there may come a time when the macro and micro ends of the spectrum don't quite tie in together.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Not a problem putting them in. Just want to maximum chances they stay.

You could turn the entrance disc to use the queen excluder section as a queen includer, but probably for no more than 24 hours because she'll likely need to get out for mating flights.

 

[Obee1]

You could turn the entrance disc to use the queen excluder section as a queen includer, but probably for no more than 24 hours because she'll likely need to get out for mating flights.

I'm worried the entrance is so small, and there are so many bees that they will overheat. Think I may just move em to a poly brood box.
Also not convinced that any bees can fit through the queen excluder. When I initially dialled it round to QE no bees came in or out - and I managed to decapitate 2 bees just by turning the dial.

 

[jonnybeegood]

They are meant to be painted for uv protection. And I want it to look pretty cos I look at it out of my window everyday.
Painting can wait though. They are now in the nuc with one frame of comb and five of foundation.

Get yourself another nuc you will need it sometime anyway, paint it then swap the frames into it from the unpainted.
Not sure about maisies nucs as i havent owned one but with a paynes nuc you can add a super on top so as well as giving them more room, you also get them to draw out super frames for future use.

 

[Finman]

you can add a super on top so as well as giving them more room, you also get them to draw out super frames for future use.

That makes no sense. Swarm will not draw extra foundations for future use. Bees are short living small creatures, and do not press them for fun.

When I have followed swarms' life span, after 3 weeks only half of bees are alive. All are needed to keep brood alive just before new bees start to emerge.
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[Obee1]

Update. Was worried nuc too small so moved to a poly brood box - they had drawn all 6 frames in nuc in 24 hours and started storing syrup. Gave them 3 extra foundation frames interspersed between drawn ones. No eggs that I can see. Put frame feeder in with 30 % syrup and QE under the brood box. Still can't see queen though. Seems they weren't keen on moving house after 24 hours and I got stung twice. ( my proper bee suit is wet from hand washing yesterday so used my bee jacket). As before they stung my thigh through jeans. I really should have put thick jeans on not girlie stretch tight ones. owwee!

Obee

 

[jonnybeegood]

That makes no sense. Swarm will not draw extra foundations for future use. Bees are short living small creatures, and do not press them for fun.

When I have followed swarms' life span, after 3 weeks only half of bees are alive. All are needed to keep brood alive just before new bees start to emerge.
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What do you mean it makes no sense? Ive just had a swarm draw out 6 frames of 14x12 foundation in 4 days why not add super frames for them to draw too while waiting for a new Queen to lay, it will help stop them filling the BB with honey taking up space for when the queen starts laying, it makes perfect sense unlike some of your posts.

 

[Outlander]

As I recall pounds and ounces were overtaken by the Common Market.

Not really. Metric mass units were used in science long before I got to secondary school. Even Pounds, shillings and pence eventually got metricated, but not 'common marketised'.

Yes, I have used Btu's, ergs, dynes, calories and a few other older units, but metric is sooo easy compared to gallons, quarts, pints, gills, etc. One thousand (10^3 ) kilograms to a metric tonne is far better than 20 hundred weights (actually 112 pounds!), with quarters, stones, pound and ounces to follow on - so multiples of 20, 4, 2, 14, and 16. Even the Troy ounce was sort of metric - 30g instead of 28.3 g for the Imperial version. The series of units has changed several times over the years, but the SI system is now universal except for everyday use in the US and a few other outposts.

Think how today's students would get on with calculations! Think how much more complex the lowly calculator would need to be, what with British Imerial units (and some US measures of the same name).

No, the only fixed unit which might be regretted in the future is, I reckon, the velocity of light in a vacuum. As they delve deeper into sub atomic particle layers there may come a time when the macro and micro ends of the spectrum don't quite tie in together.

Hi Rab, so what would be the weight of the swarm floating about in the vacuum of the HFC. Oh and how many quirks to a bee. I know you missed me

 

[maddydog]

You could turn the entrance disc to use the queen excluder section as a queen includer, but probably for no more than 24 hours because she'll likely need to get out for mating flights.

I've found the q ex shuts the drones in which block the entrance completely so nowt can get in or out!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Also the QX part on the disk entrance is faulty and won't even let workers in or out - just leave the entrance fully open and be done with.

 

[Finman]

What do you mean it makes no sense? Ive just had a swarm draw out 6 frames of 14x12 foundation in 4 days why not add super frames for them to draw too while waiting for a new Queen to lay, it will help stop them filling the BB with honey taking up space for when the queen starts laying, it makes perfect sense unlike some of your posts.

It makes no sense, because you have not much experience in beekeeping, but you afford advices which makes no sense.

I have experience from hunreds of swarms, and I know what they can do. Our summer gives 5 times more honey, but my swarms do not make such hero acts what you are now describing.

If swarm has occupied 6 frames of foundations (yesterday) it is enough to it.

Weathers of Britain promises about 16C - 20C all the time. That is no flow weather.

I have never put super to the new swarm colony, and it is sure that no honey will come to hive at the day temp of 16C. When new bees have emerged after 4 weeks (July), them it us able to give more room. Not super but new combs. Perhaps that swarm fills the whole box at the second half of July.

6 -frame warm will not get honey, if it is not on side of rape field. Are they gone now?

Stop filling brood frames with honey.... Usually swarm all energy is spent to draw combs and feed larvae and heating brood. 6 frame swarm is not a honey pump. Look first what they do, then think more.

 

[mintmoth]

Think how today's students would get on with calculations! Think how much more complex the lowly calculator would need to be, what with British Imperial units (and some US measures of the same name).

Are you implying that pre-decimalisation students were more clever, then?

 

[Obee1]

That makes no sense. Swarm will not draw extra foundations for future use. Bees are short living small creatures, and do not press them for fun.

When I have followed swarms' life span, after 3 weeks only half of bees are alive. All are needed to keep brood alive just before new bees start to emerge.
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Isn't Jonny just advocating using their willingness to draw wax in order to get himself some spare drawn super frames. He's not expecting the swarm to fill them with honey.

 

[oliver90owner]

Are you implying that pre-decimalisation students were more clever, then?-

Not necessarily......but......give each of the students of a secondary school class a double-digit (but not ten or decades) long division calculation of an Imperial weight involving cwt, quarters, stones, pounds and ounces... and see how they get on, especially if denied access to a calculator! Do remember thaf if you were to ask students how much they weigh or how tall they are, most still reply in Imperial units - but are utterly hopeless at mathematically manipulating those values!

Many uni students only have a GCSE grade C maths qualification these days. Many of them won't really understand, or use, the simplification method by cancelling terms. I have seen so many GCSE students taking up precious time, particularly in examinations, to meticulously work out answers which would easily cancel to a simple single multiplication or division for the final answer. They are simply often not taught how to do the simplest basic number manipulations. Either that is the fault of the current education system, the shortcomings of the teacher(s) or that the students are not sharp enough to recognise these mathematical manipulations.

I clearly remember my physics and chemistry 'O' level exercise books being littered with intermediate functions, which were each given a letter. The calculations were then expressed in algebraic form before substituting the numerical identities for each letter. But in those days we had need to resort to logarithmic tables to avoid otherwise tedious long multiplications and divisions.

 

[jonnybeegood]

Isn't Jonny just advocating using their willingness to draw wax in order to get himself some spare drawn super frames. He's not expecting the swarm to fill them with honey.

Ah, sense at last, thankyou!

 

[jonnybeegood]

It makes no sense, because you have not much experience in beekeeping, but you afford advices which makes no sense.

I have experience from hunreds of swarms, and I know what they can do. Our summer gives 5 times more honey, but my swarms do not make such hero acts what you are now describing.

If swarm has occupied 6 frames of foundations (yesterday) it is enough to it.

Weathers of Britain promises about 16C - 20C all the time. That is no flow weather.

I have never put super to the new swarm colony, and it is sure that no honey will come to hive at the day temp of 16C. When new bees have emerged after 4 weeks (July), them it us able to give more room. Not super but new combs. Perhaps that swarm fills the whole box at the second half of July.

6 -frame warm will not get honey, if it is not on side of rape field. Are they gone now?

Stop filling brood frames with honey.... Usually swarm all energy is spent to draw combs and feed larvae and heating brood. 6 frame swarm is not a honey pump. Look first what they do, then think more.

Looks like your bees are different to mine, the super frames i put on yesterday are already being drawn out as i write. Another BB of 14x12 from my other swarm is all drawn out & they are actually filling it with honey as they wait for the queen to lay, so i have put a super on top of that too for them to draw & move the honey up into, your temperatures for a flow are wrong, i have a great flow here, they are packing it in. Maybe you would be better offering advice in finland if thats where you are really from, rather than the UK as conditions & bees are clearly so different!