24 hrs later after using air freshener .

[madasafish]

I am taking it Helen that you killed off the awkward queen first?

Down in Aus? The airfreshner was mentioned on here first by ITLD if I remember right and he is as far from a sofaologist as you can get. If you don't know what he is then maybe some reading is needed.

PH

Yes ILTD .... around 2014-5 iirc

I have used it since without any failures..

 

[Helen]

I am taking it Helen that you killed off the awkward queen first?

Down in Aus? The airfreshner was mentioned on here first by ITLD if I remember right and he is as far from a sofaologist as you can get. If you don't know what he is then maybe some reading is needed.

PH

Oh yes. She is no more. Then left the colony for about 40 minutes, and then united.

When I've tried newspaper, they didn't really bother uniting (I use dartingtons so unite sideways).

 

[Curly green fingers]

Some interesting replys thank you , my second season uniting colony's and I've always used news paper , with good success. Perhaps I'm being more observant this season.
this season I wanted to try something new to me .
The colony's in question were..
Brood + 2x shallows United with a swarm , single brood with 6 frames of brood and two of stores.

Swarm queen got squished , 1 hour later I United using a qx in-between boxes and sprayed glade up into the bottom of the swarm box and down into the bottom colony and united together .
There was two honey supers on the bottom colony which are now on top.
I've strapped them down as it's now a fair stack, of 6 boxes .
This now united colony will be split after the next honey crop hopefully.

On another note I was talking to a beek yesterday who united lots early spring but has had lots swarm on him , can you unite colony's to early??

 

[eltalia]

Yes ILTD .... around 2014-5 iirc

I have used it since without any failures..

... that you know of.

"The relevant literature was reviewed to identify phthalate sources in the environment and problems resulting from phthalate contamination of soil and water. Phthalate properties responsible for their toxicity for living organisms were identified, and the effects of phthalates on humans and animals were described. Special emphasis was placed on the effects of exposure to phthalates on human health. Phthalates are readily released into the environment and create a risk of exposure for humans and other living organisms. They are characterized by reproductive toxicity in humans and animals, they can cause infertility and reproductive problems in males. Phthalates are more toxic in young children, which are much more susceptible to phthalate exposure, including fetal life. Phthalates are used in numerous industries, and they are very difficult to eliminate from our daily surroundings."

https://www.researchgate.net/public...phthalates_and_its_impact_on_living_organisms

Bill

 

[madasafish]

... that you know of.



Bill

Well I may be old,semi senile,half blind and a bad beekeeper # but even with all that I recognise a failed unite - cos you get lots of dead bees and the hive fails to thrive.

So When I said "no failures" I meant it.

# edit and bald

 

[eltalia]

Well I may be old,semi senile,half blind and a bad beekeeper # but even with all that I recognise a failed unite - cos you get lots of dead bees and the hive fails to thrive.

So When I said "no failures" I meant it.

# edit and bald

.... errrm, not disputing what you see, simply pointing to what is n0t seen.
Welll at least not inside of 24hours, maybe... don't know as never in my
most fantasied beekeeping 'inventions' have I considered putting canned
propellant anywhere near an active colony.
What (labelled) compounds are in cans is enough to leave such in the
cupboard.

Bill

 

[madasafish]

.... errrm, not disputing what you see, simply pointing to what is n0t seen.
Welll at least not inside of 24hours, maybe... don't know as never in my
most fantasied beekeeping 'inventions' have I considered putting canned
propellant anywhere near an active colony.
What (labelled) compounds are in cans is enough to leave such in the
cupboard.

Bill

But I assume you use a smoker and puff unknown carcinogenic smoke including Carbon Monoxide and tar...

 

[eltalia]

But I assume you use a smoker and puff unknown carcinogenic smoke including Carbon Monoxide and tar...

Struggling here with how it is you play the treehugger (greenie) card yet
advocate for aerosol use I simply note smoke is everywhere whereas I've
yet to see aerosol spontaneously emitting into the environment 24/7,
seasonly. That emission onto bees being a conscious action by Man not
Nature.

Buuuut I'll take your concerns on board and quit having a durry (smoke)
whilst working bees...fair enough?

Bill

 

[SDM]

Struggling here with how it is you play the treehugger (greenie) card yet
advocate for aerosol use I simply note smoke is everywhere whereas I've
yet to see aerosol spontaneously emitting into the environment 24/7,
seasonly. That emission onto bees being a conscious action by Man not
Nature.

Buuuut I'll take your concerns on board and quit having a durry (smoke)
whilst working bees...fair enough?

Bill

Well I guess you've never seen anyone cough if you haven't seen aerosol spontaneously emitting.
Not really sure what your issue with phthalates is either since only around 1/5th of deodorant products contain them.
But perhaps your concern over aerosols was actually meant to be concern over the propellants of those aerosols. It's hard to tell for the white noise that accompanies your posts.

 

[Eyeman]

Some interesting replys thank you , my second season uniting colony's and I've always used news paper , with good success. Perhaps I'm being more observant this season.
this season I wanted to try something new to me .
The colony's in question were..
Brood + 2x shallows United with a swarm , single brood with 6 frames of brood and two of stores.

Swarm queen got squished , 1 hour later I United using a qx in-between boxes and sprayed glade up into the bottom of the swarm box and down into the bottom colony and united together .
There was two honey supers on the bottom colony which are now on top.
I've strapped them down as it's now a fair stack, of 6 boxes .
This now united colony will be split after the next honey crop hopefully.

On another note I was talking to a beek yesterday who united lots early spring but has had lots swarm on him , can you unite colony's to early??

Always a balancing act between strong colonies in spring for the early flow and reducing them wanting to swarm.

 

[eltalia]

(edit)
It's hard to tell for the white noise that accompanies your posts.

That there is an invention just as aerosols being okay to direct into a beehive is.

Why it is some choose to defend the indefensible, even using invention as an
anchor I'll leave the astute to ponder on.
Whilst I retract from defending what has been practice since Man first fell upon
smoke as a means of accessing comb I certainly will not be party to granting
any use of aerosol - other than liquid nitrogen - free passage as helpfull information.

Bill

 

[SDM]

That there is an invention just as aerosols being okay to direct into a beehive is.

Why it is some choose to defend the indefensible, even using invention as an
anchor I'll leave the astute to ponder on.
Whilst I retract from defending what has been practice since Man first fell upon
smoke as a means of accessing comb I certainly will not be party to granting
any use of aerosol - other than liquid nitrogen - free passage as helpfull information.

Bill

You see you just keep going on about things you don't understand. Liquid nitrogen an aerosol ?

 

[eltalia]

You see you just keep going on about things you don't understand.

... hic.

Liquid nitrogen an aerosol ?

Again...more invention.
Somewhere there will be a definition for aerosol "contents under pressure".

Buuut you have your fun - no worries to myself, only concerned with
challenging poor information.
/shrug/

Bill

 

[SDM]

You must challenge yourself daily then.
Today's challenge should be looking up that definition of "aerosol"

 

[Curly green fingers]

Always a balancing act between strong colonies in spring for the early flow and reducing them wanting to swarm.

I was reading grandads diary's and he would never unite strong colony's in the spring because of swarming, but summer flows for sure it's taken me three years but I understand why now.

 

[eltalia]

I was reading grandads diary's and he would never unite strong colony's in the spring because of swarming, but summer flows for sure it's taken me three years but I understand why now.

Where you fail to suppress the swarm urge in Spring you won't
see bees able to reap a Summer flow.... well not in numbers at least.
Ideally you keep the balance in having the bees not seeing swarm
conditions exist, they then just keep right on building numbers, no
distractions.

Bill

 

[MartinL]

... hic.

Somewhere there will be a definition for aerosol "contents under pressure".

In your upside down world perhaps but in the real world, "Aerosol" refers to the droplets of liquid suspended in the air, not the can they originate from!

 

[enrico]

Oh aerosol!!!!!!!!
I thought you were all talking about ars........ Never mind!! It is nearly an anagram!!
E

 

[eltalia]

In your upside down world perhaps but in the real world, "Aerosol" refers to the droplets of liquid suspended in the air, not the can they originate from!

In begging to differ I'll simply put the quoted reference comes from
Cambridge, no less.
But whatever... I do note not a single like driven quip as yours was
put to the use of liquid nitrogen around a beehive, a beekeeping topic.
Says volumes in my "upside down world", eh.
/smiles/

Bill

 

[Helen]

Checked on my aerosol combine colony today. Removed a queen from v aggressive local bees (a huge swarm), and combined with a nuc of buckfasts with smoke and glade last weekend. Today, light brown buckfasts wandering around with local darker bees as if they were sisters. No sign of any mass warfare. And the BF queen was still alive.