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bjosephd

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Hey all...

Quick background.

15 days ago swarm scouted and moved into empty hive.
Somehow queen got injured and died out front of hive 2 days later without laying.
Frame of brood and a few queen cells (1 or 2 sealed) put in from local beek.
Queenless roaring ceased.
Hoping for a queen to emerge, mate, and get laying.
Fed for a short while with thick syrup.

Since then........
Bees very busy, foraging, bringing in pollen, calm and seemingly happy.
One queen with undeveloped or deformed wings ejected & dead.
A handful of drones have clearly been booted out and died out front (one or two with crappy wings), they often seem too fat and drunk to fly, although have seen the odd flying drone orienting.
A couple of workers with crappy wings dead out front too.
Have not inspected for nearly 2 weeks as thought best to leave hive to establish and queens to fight it out and virgin to get out and mate.
Today a half developed white bee ejected out front... & more dead/dying drones.
Spotted 1 red varroa on the floor outside the hive (it's paving out the front, so it's easy to spot what comes out the hive).

And also THINK I can occasionally hear tooting/piping/quacking when I put my ear to the hive (not sure of the difference)... but it certainly sounds like rhythmic pulses of a short buzzy beep beep beep beeping. Does that mean a Q vs Q battle royale is about to commence?!

Was planning on leaving them alone until next week but now thinking tomorrow is best weather to make inspection before wind, rain, and schedule starts to make things difficult.

I am however worried that it might be a good day for a virgin to get out and mate, and messing with a hive on such a day maybe not the best idea? Particularly if there are queens about to fight it out I wonder if opening is also a bad idea.

All thoughts greatly appreciated.

What am I looking for...?
Eggs (that would be nice, and very efficient if queen is a randy floozy)
Chalk brood? (white bee maybe suggests this, although bee is just white, not chalky or mummified)
Varroa (this seems likely as it seems ALL hives have these little buggers, maybe came with frame of brood from local beek)
I am not after a honey crop this year, gonna leave the honey to the bees as good winter feed... so is there an advisable 'summer' (summer?!) varroa treatment you would suggest?
Inspection tray has been in since bees arrived, so I will check it tomorrow also. (badly placed hive at the mo, so tray is tricky to remove without spinning the hive 90 degrees).

Or do I just leave it all well alone for another week or two, and be patient as there's essentially nothing I can actually do at the moment other than cause much un-needed disturbance in a colony and queen trying to get their **** sorted?
 
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You definitely have a varroa problem including an infested queen from your introduced frame of brood.
Now would be a good time to treat them with oxalic, vapour is best but trickling would do.
Your swarm queen, you say, is dead.
You might have one emerged from that donated brood, the swarm might have been a prime and your original queen might have laid a few eggs before her demise.....the bees would have made emergency queen cells; quite a few possibilities.
I would have a quick look with another beekeeper perhaps.....outside any mating window. i.e. early or late.
 
Thanks,

It was indeed a prime as the queen was marked. I think she probably got a little battered with initial post swarm organising manipulations of hive.

Inspected with local beek after she died though and found no eggs at all which was why we added frame of brood.

Pretty annoyed to have brought varroa in to a new hive so ****** early, but I guess it's inevitable. You call it a varroa 'problem'... is it clearly a PROBLEM or just got a varroa problem like every hive healthy or otherwise has a 'problem' (i.e., is there such thing as a varroa-less hive)).

If they warm up and are flying well today maybe I'll check later... when does the mating window end? I would rather check though when they are mostly out of their house!

Don't think I have vaporising facilities. Apiguard ok maybe? Or some of the various strips? I really wanted to avoid treating as long as possible =O( but I think I need the colony stronger and good laying queen more importantly.
 
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Thanks,

It was indeed a prime as the queen was marked. I think she probably got a little battered with initial post swarm organising manipulations of hive.

Inspected with local beek after she died though and found no eggs at all which was why we added frame of brood.

Pretty annoyed to have brought varroa in to a new hive so ****** early, but I guess it's inevitable. You call it a varroa 'problem'... is it clearly a PROBLEM or just got a varroa problem like every hive healthy or otherwise has a 'problem' (i.e., is there such thing as a varroa-less hive)).

If they warm up and are flying well today maybe I'll check later... when does the mating window end? I would rather check though when they are mostly out of their house!

Don't think I have vaporising facilities. Apiguard ok maybe? Or some of the various strips? I really wanted to avoid treating as long as possible =O( but I think I need the colony stronger and good laying queen more importantly.

Perhaps you could borrow a vapouriser? It's really easy to use. I bought one from fleabay.....
 
I read that oxalic should only be used during brood less periods (which this might well still be for me.. but for how long...?)

The big uk supplier does a ready to trickle in a little trickle bottle for £3, might be worth while. I'll see if my local guy has a vaporiser... but I think all he does is trickle in autumn... maybe that's why I have varroa now! Ha!

Apiguard not an option? Or MAQS?
 
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I think with DWV in a dead queen you do have a problem that needs sorting now. Get that trickle done before there is capped brood.
 
That's assuming it was definitely a queen... and it's quite possible it was not as I am yet to be an old wizard of beekeeping. I'll maybe make an inspection tomorrow and order some oxalic trickle. And I'll try and check the inspection board.
 

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