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Was on my plot late last night and spotted a swarm on the neighbours and thought i'd collect it in the morning, went back today swarm gone.Now tuesday's the day i go through the hives and last tuesday i removed all the queen cells from this swarmed hive hoping that this week i would have chance to do artificial swarm. Today there where 5 capped queen cells which i removed all but one, hows this possible when the book says 8 days to sealed cell, will the remaining queen cell be a scrub queen.

This colony was also a swarm that i hived on the 5th May. :confused: and more :confused:
 
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Emergency queen cells- 1 or 2 day old larvae into a queen cup then sealed over in a further 4 or 5 days. So thats how they did it. The colony is queenless.
Your thinking of swarm cells - these will take 8 days from egg being layed.
 

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Emergency queen cells- 1 or 2 day old larvae into a queen cup then sealed over in a further 4 or 5 days. So thats how they did it. The colony is queenless.
Your thinking of swarm cells - these will take 8 days from egg being layed.
Why make emergency queen cells when the hive wasn't queenless untill yesterday.
 

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It's more likely that you missed a charged queen cup on your previous inspection and they swarmed 5 or 6 days after that. It's very easy to miss one. I do weekly inspections and a couple of times this year I have found sealed queen cells which means I has missed some on the previous inspection. Fortunately the queen was still there in each case.
 

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Sorry chalkie
You were probably queenless last Tuesday when you removed all QC.
 

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Sorry chalkie
You were probably queenless last Tuesday when you removed all QC.
Definately wasn't queenless last tuesday as i saw the marked queen before removing cells and after, i'm almost sure that i didn't leave any charged queen cells, if i did then thats twice in as many weeks :banghead:.

So i take it that the remaining cell wont be of any use whats my options now.
 

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Did you shake all the bees off each frame on your inspections ?
I often find a little stub queen cell around the outside of the frames when inspecting.

If you inspect after they have swarmed they often tear down the hatched queen cell leaving no evidence.
 

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Did you shake all the bees off each frame on your inspections ?
I often find a little stub queen cell around the outside of the frames when inspecting.

If you inspect after they have swarmed they often tear down the hatched queen cell leaving no evidence.
I did shake the bees off because off the swarm previously and thought your not catching me out again :rolleyes:.
 

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Dont worry Chalkie,any beekeeper who says he has never lost a swarm would be telling fibs.

I lost one myself last month with an unclipped queen.

Do you clip ? if you did you would lose the queen maybe but not the bees.
 

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Dont worry Chalkie,any beekeeper who says he has never lost a swarm would be telling fibs.

I lost one myself last month with an unclipped queen.

Do you clip ? if you did you would lose the queen maybe but not the bees.
Thanks, whats my options now with the QC i take it will be of no use.
 

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Do you have a test frame you can give them ?
 

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Right, what i've done now is put in 2 frames with a queen from a small nuc, removed all queen cells and now hope for the best.
 
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I assume you did that yesterday and not just before your post at 3am :svengo:
 

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I assume you did that yesterday and not just before your post at 3am :svengo:
Yes m8, not in the habit of going down to the plot with my miners lamp strapped to my head at 3 in the morning, couldn't sleep , to warm and noticed the computer was still on.
 

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Did you notice there are a few of us members about at that time that do the night shift..
 

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Update:
Checked the hives today and the new queen from this hive has now vanished , no eggs seen, but 1 capped Qc and 5 other Qc along the bottom of the recently introduced frames nearly ready for capping, i removed them all but 1 which looked like the youngest. :smash:
 
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