Wire Wooden Framed Queen Excluder - New - £10!

[BMH]

I am sat here trying to work out why anyone would be feeding with an excluder on.



Yes I know I'm obviously missing something...





PH

My excluders never come off. You cant use a swienty poly feeder without a wire framed excluder so it stays on during syrup feeding.

Its above the brood box and below the feeder.

Then I leave it in after the feeder is off (between brood box and roof, to stop squashing bees, give them freedom to move over the top frames and to place fondant on.

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[Poly Hive]

Now that's odd as I have just fed 8 colonies using a top feeder with out an excluder. *shrug*

PH

 

[BMH]

Now that's odd as I have just fed 8 colonies using a top feeder with out an excluder. *shrug*

PH

Is it a poly swienty feeder? It doesnt have beespace underneath so you crush a lot of bees if on BBS and massively limit access to the feeder without one.

The advice to use a wire framed queen excluder with the swienty poly feeder came from ITLD so i think ill stick with it.

Certainly improves there access and ability to take syrup down. It also reduces bee crushing

 

[Erichalfbee]

Is it a poly swienty feeder? It doesnt have beespace underneath so you crush a lot of bees if on BBS and massively limit access to the feeder without one.

The advice to use a wire framed queen excluder with the swienty poly feeder came from ITLD so i think ill stick with it.

Certainly improves there access and ability to take syrup down. It also reduces bee crushing

Ah I was wondering why
The advantages of top space

 

[BMH]

Ah I was wondering why
The advantages of top space

Yep. Top bee space would eliminate the requirement.

If I moved over to TBS I would have to mod all my floors.

I need loads of excluders anyway. Pros and cons to both.

I do wish they had a workable poly TBS national

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

If I moved over to TBS I would have to mod all my floors.

Simple job though - just tack on 4 10mm battens - Dani has done it with my floors

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Is it a poly swienty feeder? It doesnt have beespace underneath so you crush a lot of bees if on BBS and massively limit access to the feeder without one.

The advice to use a wire framed queen excluder with the swienty poly feeder came from ITLD so i think ill stick with it.

Certainly improves there access and ability to take syrup down. It also reduces bee crushing

*shrug*

 

[thorn]

Two beekeepers = three ways (at least) of doing anything.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Simple job though - just tack on 4 10mm battens - Dani has done it with my floors

Yes easy

 

[BMH]

It's quite tempting.

Do you have to run your supers tbs as well? That's what always put me off as I have lot of wooden supers that would be difficult to mod.

Or do you run TBS brood/excluder/BBs supers

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[Erichalfbee]

It's quite tempting.

Do you have to run your supers tbs as well? That's what always put me off as I have lot of wooden supers that would be difficult to mod.

Or do you run TBS brood/excluder/BBs supers

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All my supers are top space but if you have excluders with no bee space then that’s ok surely

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Do you have to run your supers tbs as well? That's what always put me off as I have lot of wooden supers that would be difficult to mod.

If you are using framed QX's you have the choice of either having a little extra bee space above or below the wires, no big deal really.

 

[ericbeaumont]

Is it a poly swienty feeder? It doesnt have beespace underneath so you crush a lot of bees if on BBS and massively limit access to the feeder without one.

The Swienty National hive was clearly designed as TBS, which is why the feeder has no beespace underneath and the box bases have no rebate. At some point Swienty realised that the UK National market was predominantly BBS, and began to supply the hive with plastic slot-in runners to convert to BBS; of course, they weren't going to go to the trouble and expense to make a new mould for a BBS feeder or rebate the boxes. What complicates matters is that the CWJ website states that the Swienty hive is compatible with National wood hives; it is, after a fashion, but only if the unwary realise that the base footprint of the boxes and the feeder is liable to crush bees and become glued solid.

I like the idea of putting a QX under to convert the Swienty feeder to BBS; other option is to spend £6.63 more and use an Abelo box feeder, which is BBS. I think from now on I'll spend £6.63 less, and save having to shift and store QXs.

 

[BMH]

The Swienty National hive was clearly designed as TBS, which is why the feeder has no beespace underneath and the box bases have no rebate. At some point Swienty realised that the UK National market was predominantly BBS, and began to supply the hive with plastic slot-in runners to convert to BBS; of course, they weren't going to go to the trouble and expense to make a new mould for a BBS feeder or rebate the boxes. What complicates matters is that the CWJ website states that the Swienty hive is compatible with National wood hives; it is, after a fashion, but only if the unwary realise that the base footprint of the boxes and the feeder is liable to crush bees and become glued solid.

I like the idea of putting a QX under to convert the Swienty feeder to BBS; other option is to spend £6.63 more and use an Abelo box feeder, which is BBS. I think from now on I'll spend £6.63 less, and save having to shift and store QXs.

Yes - it depends which way you look at it doesnt it.

I pay a bit more for wire framed QX but then dont have to ever take them off the hive to store them which is a bonus!

What i dont like about Swienty TBS is there is no runner. Its just a flat poly side which they must stick the frames down a bit to?

 

[ericbeaumont]

Yes - it depends which way you look at it doesnt it.
I pay a bit more for wire framed QX but then dont have to ever take them off the hive to store them which is a bonus!
What i dont like about Swienty TBS is there is no runner. Its just a flat poly side which they must stick the frames down a bit to?

Yes, the Swienty is a dog's dinner with designers trying to cover every market without thinking through the consequences (which also describes the whole UK poly market). Result is that we have to cobble together workarounds, but it would be infinitely better if they were all locked in a room for a week and told to come up with one solution (alright, two: a BBS and a TBS) that ironed out the flaws of the current crop.

 

[BMH]

Yes, the Swienty is a dog's dinner with designers trying to cover every market without thinking through the consequences (which also describes the whole UK poly market). Result is that we have to cobble together workarounds, but it would be infinitely better if they were all locked in a room for a week and told to come up with one solution (alright, two: a BBS and a TBS) that ironed out the flaws of the current crop.

true but it doesnt sort out what we already have.

Need quality workarounds to make it work still.

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[Erichalfbee]

If Swienty hives were designed originally as top space ( with the addition of a runner for the UK market) then it was a pp design right from the start. I can’t imagine they were! I tried running the boxes without runners and it’s impossible. The lugs get propolised down and you squash bees. We have glued a plastic strip all round the top and replaced the runners. I have also cut strips of Payne’s crownboard underneath the lugs to make it easy to keep the boxes clean

 

[BMH]

If Swienty hives were designed originally as top space ( with the addition of a runner for the UK market) then it was a pp design right from the start. I can’t imagine they were! I tried running the boxes without runners and it’s impossible. The lugs get propolised down and you squash bees. We have glued a plastic strip all round the top and replaced the runners. I have also cut strips of Payne’s crownboard underneath the lugs to make it easy to keep the boxes clean

Ah I didnt realise that's how you were running them TBS.

If you are running them like that, do you even need to have the strips on the floors as well?

Got any pics? Surely the curved edges mean its not a nice neat finish when gluing on strips.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Ah I didnt realise that's how you were running them TBS.

If you are running them like that, do you even need to have the strips on the floors as well?

Got any pics? Surely the curved edges mean its not a nice neat finish when gluing on strips.

Pics tomorrow
Stan neatens the strips off. They are fine.
Yes I like deep floors because I have a hole for the sublimox at the back just above the omf but I had the floors made before I decided to go back to runners

 

[BMH]

Pics tomorrow
Stan neatens the strips off. They are fine.
Yes I like deep floors because I have a hole for the sublimox at the back just above the omf but I had the floors made before I decided to go back to runners

AH its good to know though I just assumed that was the only way to do it.

You are effectively adding a beespace above the standard box. Pretty much what I do, with a wire framed queen excluder