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why bother? that makes no sense whatsoever - just put them on top, they will clean them in situ and then fill them
🙄 I knew there would be one! Just because it's not what you do doesn't mean it makes no sense.

Reasons I do this:

  1. Gives the bees a nutritional boost when there still isn't much forage around (instead of syrup/fondant).
  2. Keeps the heat where the bees are (up top).
  3. Multiple supers will be cleaned up so can be removed early on until ready to be added again on top.
 
Gosh, I'm wondering what (fun) I'm missing here. Something to do with unextracted ('crystallised') honey remaining in the frames, as opposed to the residue of extracted honey ('standard wet supers')?
Yes, presumably crystallised stores remaining in the frames during extraction as opposed to the standard residue of extracted honey.
It happens every season to me where some of the honey in the frames has crystallised (which I find can be hard to spot) and I put them in the extractor with the other frames ... all ok to start with and then the extractor fairly suddenly gets the wobbles! Very easy to miss them particularly if there has been brood in the frames and the honey is fresh where the brood has been but crytallised in other parts ....or hard to get the extraction timing right with fast crystallising honey like rape. These frames (that have been through the extractor) that are part standard "wet" but also with "stores" I give back to the bees promptly for them to eat. So yes, they are uncapped and have been through the extractor, but still contain stores of honey. The other possibility is perhaps some sort of heather honey which doesn't extract well and has stayed in the frames. It happens here to me with manuka, which doesn't come out easily with standard extraction.
Typically as I read it Alan has wet stored supers from extracting ( though this isn't mentioned )
But he has mentioned extraction. Have you read post #5 ?
 
Yes, presumably crystallised stores remaining in the frames during extraction as opposed to the standard residue of extracted honey.
It happens every season to me where some of the honey in the frames has crystallised (which I find can be hard to spot) and I put them in the extractor with the other frames .............snip............... The other possibility is perhaps some sort of heather honey which doesn't extract well and has stayed in the frames.
Similar happens to me most years with heather as I often get mixed heather&normal honey in the same frame. On my small scale its manageable with little hassle, but shall try using sections at the right time this year.
 
I have stored my supers wet ever since I started beekeeping. I put them on in the spring as the bees need more room. The bees are often up in them before I’ve put the crown boards back on. As I said in a previous post “ there’s nothing better than the smell of fermenting honey to encourage the bees up into the supers” and it’s soon cleaned up. Also I find that most of the pollen in the supers doesn’t get mouldy when there are wrapped airtight. Old photo.
 

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Similar happens to me most years with heather as I often get mixed heather&normal honey in the same frame. On my small scale its manageable with little hassle, but shall try using sections at the right time this year.
Good plan Murox. I get a honey here, from a small type of tree, that almost crystallises as you are extracting it. It completely failed this year because it relies on rain...so I barely had any issues with crystallisation, but the manuka was good, so I picked up some problems with that.:(
I spoke to an old chap here recently who was from Dorset and he was telling me of the joys, as a boy, of heather comb honey harvesting with his grandfather... with bees on the commons. It was lovely to hear the delight in his voice all these years later. He reminisced of how really beautiful and special it was, fresh in the comb.
 
Good plan Murox. I get a honey here, from a small type of tree, that almost crystallises as you are extracting it. It completely failed this year because it relies on rain...so I barely had any issues with crystallisation, but the manuka was good, so I picked up some problems with that.:(
I spoke to an old chap here recently who was from Dorset and he was telling me of the joys, as a boy, of heather comb honey harvesting with his grandfather... with bees on the commons. It was lovely to hear the delight in his voice all these years later. He reminisced of how really beautiful and special it was, fresh in the comb.
Sections or comb in little containers solves a few niggles quite well.
 
crystalised honey residues, heather honey remains - it's all a non problem, just store them wet and the bees will clean it all out in the spring when you super up the hives again
If you have areas of uncapped heather honey or crystalised honey, and you put it back on top surely the bees will cap it with little or no change, thus creating the same problem of unbalanced frames at the next extraction.
If you put them underneath it may prevent this?
 
If you have areas of uncapped heather honey or crystalised honey, and you put it back on top surely the bees will cap it with little or no change,
no they will clear it out and start again
 
Advice please...
I have a lot of supers from last year where the comb broke up during spinning, leaving a sticky mess of ripped comb and holes. Robbing was rife at the time and I just stored them, wrapped in plastic in the shed. I can't give them back to the bees as its just too much to expect them to tidy up and rebuild, so what best to do? I have no use for the comb, I just want to end up with nice clean frames to rewax. Should I just cut it out - but then what do I do with it? On the bonfire? Put them out in the spring for the bees to find and clear the honey first (probably not, I don't think 'open feeding' is approved of now). Power washing to force it off the frames?
Once I have got rid of most of the sticky comb I can then put the frames in a little boiler to clean.
 
Come the next honey flow I would push them back as straight as they will go and then alternate them with sound frames. You could take out bits of comb that have compressed into solid chunks.
The bees will rebuild them even if quite damaged and full of holes, you may get a lot of drone comb in the repaired areas but that's OK.
I've done this with blown frames with few problems. The resultant comb may not be the prettiest but its OK.
It's less work for the bees than drawing out foundation.
 
Wet supers really saved my bacon in the awful weather last spring,they kept the bees going without the need to feed them until things inproved.
Same hear, it was so hit and miss for most of the season. At one point I had managed to give my lot every wet super I had in an effort to avoid feeding them. Thankfully they came good in the end and filled a few of them for me. Interestingly I didn't get any appreciable heather this year either. Its within reach of the apiary.
 
Advice please...
I have a lot of supers from last year where the comb broke up during spinning, leaving a sticky mess of ripped comb and holes. Robbing was rife at the time and I just stored them, wrapped in plastic in the shed. I can't give them back to the bees as its just too much to expect them to tidy up and rebuild, so what best to do? I have no use for the comb, I just want to end up with nice clean frames to rewax. Should I just cut it out - but then what do I do with it? On the bonfire? Put them out in the spring for the bees to find and clear the honey first (probably not, I don't think 'open feeding' is approved of now). Power washing to force it off the frames?
Once I have got rid of most of the sticky comb I can then put the frames in a little boiler to clean.
You would be surprised at what the bees are capable of when it comes to rebuilding damaged comb. Just tidy up the broken bits and give them the frames back in spring .. they will sort them out. The comb that's not in the frames you can render down into beeswax - there is very little in beekeeping that has to be disposed of. There is a value to wax and even partly drawn frames are an asset.
 
no use for the comb ... on the bonfire?
Save it in a sealed bucket; after a while you'll have enough to melt & exchange for foundation.

don't think 'open feeding' is approved of now
Never was.

comb broke up during spinning
A tip: extract 80% of the honey slowly, accelerate reluctantly and run at full speed only when combs are nearly empty. If frames are unbalanced - some heavier, some partially crystallised, some with pollen - don't try and give them the fast 20%. Let the machine tell you!

Takes a while to get the hang of it, but worth the patience. I gave up using wired SN foundation a few years ago and now use only cut comb foundation, but even extracting those in the first year - when the comb is delicate - I avoid blowing combs.
 
Same hear, it was so hit and miss for most of the season. At one point I had managed to give my lot every wet super I had in an effort to avoid feeding them. Thankfully they came good in the end and filled a few of them for me. Interestingly I didn't get any appreciable heather this year either. Its within reach of the apiary.
I have heather on the doorstep but saw no evidence of foraging.......strange
 
I have heather on the doorstep but saw no evidence of foraging.......strange
Perhaps too cold or too dry to produce nectar; maybe insufficient ground moisture in May & June. More common on the sandy heaths we have down South than the moisture-retentive peat moors you have up North.
 
Perhaps too cold or too dry to produce nectar; maybe insufficient ground moisture in May & June. More common on the sandy heaths we have down South than the moisture-retentive peat moors you have up North.
I think it was the long cold spring that did the most damage, then everything on the mountain was knocked back, around here I almost invariably see heather flowering by the twelfth, this year no sign of it purpling up until weeks later and although I smelt some heather in the home hives, it was too little, too late before the weather took a downturn again.
 

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