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The answer, then, is to thin them out and not stick to the recipe?
I must say....all the virgins that popped out looked blooming good.
If I had already looked in the LASI hive I might have been tempted to pop one in there.....at least she had all her legs
 
The answer, then, is to thin them out and not stick to the recipe?
I must say....all the virgins that popped out looked blooming good.
If I had already looked in the LASI hive I might have been tempted to pop one in there.....at least she had all her legs

As soon as I read smudgers post I pictured you legging it back to the apiary to gather the virgins and squish the remaining cells.

It may not be too late..... Go grab a virgin
 
I emailed Wally to ask his opinion

I have tried your Modified Snelgrove this summer.
I looked into the parent box 16 days after I had repatriated the queen.
You say there is no need to thin the QCs here and that the bees would sort it out. I don’t quite know what I expected to find. What I did find was 11 QCs open and more than 20 ready…which I sprung. What on earth would the bees have done if I had left it. Would they have swarmed themselves to nothing?




The short answer is that I do not really understand what has happened here. The parent colony that had made emergency queen cells following repatriation of the queen to the artificial swarm should a selected a queen and not swarmed - which it obviously has. Was the parent colony really crowded with bees during the 8-9 days before repatriation and afterwards when what were supposed to be emergency queen cells were being produced? If it had a lot of bees did it also have a super to provide extra space? If it was really crowded then I suppose it is possible (in theory) for them to decide to set up to swarm and make swarm cells instead of emergency cells.Were the cells mostly on the face of the frames, based on what was originally intended as worker brood, or were they in a more typical swarm cell position mostly along the bottom bars?

Over the years we have used the method this has never happened but that does not mean it can't. Basically I am clutching at straws. We have just repatriated queens in 2 colonies and they were very crowded (one had a super on it) and we are regretting not having changed the doors on the Snelgrove board after 3-4 days to bleed some bees down. We have done it now so the emergency queen cells will be made in a parent colony with enough bees to do a good job but not crammed with bees. We have 2 other repatriations scheduled for tomorrow which may be in a similar condition - we'll see.

Anyway, you have done exactly the right thing to rectify the situation by releasing virgin queens. I just hope you did not leave any non-emerged cells behind!


The colony was crowded but I did put an empty super on. I did a Modified Snelgrove so no way of bleeding bees with a board.
The cells were all on the face of the comb just where you would expect emergency cells to be.
And….yes all the QCs were dealt with, shaking every frame full of angry bees.

Oh well…it’s good to be reassured that I didn’t do anything terribly wrong, just bees not reading your pamphlet
 
Is he saying they must have swarmed?

I went to mine today and could hear about 4-5 piping, one especially loud and the others muffled. I'm hoping that the loud one was out and killing the muffled (hopefully not emerged) queens.

Surely they are going to make a number of emergency cells when the queen is removed. Is he surprised at the number or that the first out didn't kill them do you think?

I'm at day 18 from making them queenless and intend to have a gander this weekend.
 
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I understood that the bees would break down most of those queen cells.
You do see that sometimes, QCs that have been torn down after they were sealed.
I thought that was supposed to happen...perhaps I'm being thick but leaving a few to emerge is asking for casts.
 
I might have some interesting days ahead!
 
Sounds like it wouldn't hurt. I shall report back when my chaos ensues. Or not. Hopefully.
 
Is he saying they must have swarmed?

I went to mine today and could hear about 4-5 piping, one especially loud and the others muffled. .

When you hear piping, there are alternatives
- they are going to swarm very quickly,
- or they have swarmed a week ago, and now they are sending second swarm out.
- or two swarms have left, and virgin calls, is here any more some one, who wants to fight.
 
Oh great. Well I can't do much as I am working a lot this week.
 
Anything I can do to stop this colony spewing swarms across the allotments? And when I can get in and have a look what to do with numerous queens, and what's left, if that's the case.
 
Anything I can do to stop this colony spewing swarms across the allotments? And when I can get in and have a look what to do with numerous queens, and what's left, if that's the case.

If you have numerous QC's ready to emerge - pop them all, if they're all released they will fight it out until only one is left. The problems start if they are left in the cells - the workers will release them one at a time to swarm away
 
Well I like the method and will continue to use it. I would rather lose some bees from the parent colony than the mated queen and most of my honey gathering flyers in a failed Pagden
 
If you have numerous QC's ready to emerge - pop them all, if they're all released they will fight it out until only one is left. The problems start if they are left in the cells - the workers will release them one at a time to swarm away

Yes. Get in and shake all the frames
 
Well, I found half an hour to go and investigate.

I spotted one queen out and piping across the frames, about three open cells and I opened around eleven sealed. That was a first. Not so easy with a hive tool. Is there a better tool to use? Maybe a small knife.

A couple jumped out of the cell and seemed to prefer my glove to the frame. Most seemed very nervous shying away from the workers.

Should whats left fight it out then rather than swarm?

Has anyone had this second part of the Wally Shaw work?

Thanks for the help.

Brigsy.
 
As long as you got them all they will sort it out.
Queen cells that are ready have a brown tip or ring round them and usually just pop open. If they don't I sometimes find its easier to lift the queen cell out of the frame and let her back out.
 
So far about 7 dead queens on the concrete under my landing board. The slaughter continues. Game of thrones in the hive today.
 
So far about 7 dead queens on the concrete under my landing board. The slaughter continues. Game of thrones in the hive today.

I'm rooting for the dragon queen - Daenerys
 

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