To keep one amused

cwinte · Aug 9, 2023

Wordle 781 2/6* new

7 possibles (lucky match to stater) but groups so worst case 4

fancied this one, got lucky!
Actually that second choice was the only way of sure 4, in the worst case.

Wordle 781 4/6* old

236 possible

appealed as a way to use frequent letters, 7 possibles, groups so worst case 5

2 now (but I just guessed right in new style so I'll take that option)

roche · Aug 9, 2023

Wordle 781 6/6

Got lucky - could see at least three options for the last shot!

roche · Aug 9, 2023

cwinte said:
Wordle 780 3/6* old
40 possibles, many with same 3 or 4 last letters so target those letters
lucky hit, only 1 possible now

Wordle 780 4/6* new
117 possible, biggest group is as above, aim at most common other letters of group
22 possibles, again eliminate as much as possible
just 1 now

I base choices on analysis of letters among the possibles which I can make in secs and look like
n TOT 1 0 0 1 0 0
q TOT 1 1 0 0 0 0
h TOT 2 1 1 0 0 0
m TOT 2 0 1 1 0 0
v TOT 2 2 0 0 0 0
w TOT 2 1 1 0 0 0
b TOT 3 3 0 0 0 0
g TOT 3 2 0 1 0 0
s TOT 5 5 0 0 0 0
d TOT 6 3 1 0 0 2
p TOT 6 2 1 2 1 0
u TOT 9 0 9 0 0 0
y TOT 16 0 0 2 1 13
i TOT 17 2 8 5 2 0
l TOT 35 0 0 10 18 7

So I'm not testing my mental word finding but my strategy and selection methods at each step.

Old method came out on top today but it was a lucky hit at line 2, there were other options with very similar merit and for most of the 40 possibles it would have taken a 4 or maybe 5.

Can you explain the numbers in the row?

cwinte · Aug 9, 2023

roche said:
Can you explain the numbers in the row?

Sure. Take this list I did last, which is based on all the possible answers consistent with all the letters I know about at the time; green, yellow or 'miss':
1180 < total letters seen (236 possibles words *5)
j TOT 3 3 0 0 0 0: j came up total 3 times, all 3 were as first letter
z TOT 3 1 0 1 0 1: z came up 3 times, as first, third and last
x TOT 6 0 5 0 0 1
k TOT 10 5 0 2 3 0
f TOT 24 18 1 4 1 0
w TOT 25 6 3 8 5 3: w came up 25 times, 6 as first letter, 3 as second, 8 as third...
m TOT 26 14 2 5 3 2
c TOT 29 14 3 7 1 4
g TOT 32 10 3 11 7 1
v TOT 34 13 1 16 4 0
b TOT 35 19 1 13 2 0
n TOT 43 8 9 13 2 11
t TOT 43 14 1 13 5 10
d TOT 44 19 4 12 2 7
r TOT 62 12 19 12 4 15
y TOT 65 1 5 8 1 50
o TOT 78 3 46 9 15 5
i TOT 80 7 39 14 20 0
a TOT 128 11 46 20 44 7
e TOT 138 8 48 10 43 29
l TOT 272 50 0 58 74 90: l (lower L) came up 272 times - 50 times in first, none in second place (that is where I tried an L and got yellow) ... 90 times at end. (Since 272 > 236 I know 30+ words had 2 or more Ls).
Most common letters sorted last, so if I want to use the most common letters I could try LAYER though ROYAL might get more greens, RELAY might be most greens. Looking at where letters come up most...
I also look at turn one or two (with another analysis) to see if there are groups with only 1 or 2 letters changing where I could get stuck guessing the missing letters, like _ight, and get 6 or X'd. If so I favour more elimination before locating letters, I also will know what missing letters come up in any groups (often lower occuring such as t, b, m, n, r etc.)

roche · Aug 9, 2023

cwinte said:
Sure. Take this list I did last, which is based on all the possible answers consistent with all the letters I know about at the time; green, yellow or 'miss':
1180 < total letters seen (236 possibles words *5)
j TOT 3 3 0 0 0 0: j came up total 3 times, all 3 were as first letter
z TOT 3 1 0 1 0 1: z came up 3 times, as first, third and last
x TOT 6 0 5 0 0 1
k TOT 10 5 0 2 3 0
f TOT 24 18 1 4 1 0
w TOT 25 6 3 8 5 3: w came up 25 times, 6 as first letter, 3 as second, 8 as third...
m TOT 26 14 2 5 3 2
c TOT 29 14 3 7 1 4
g TOT 32 10 3 11 7 1
v TOT 34 13 1 16 4 0
b TOT 35 19 1 13 2 0
n TOT 43 8 9 13 2 11
t TOT 43 14 1 13 5 10
d TOT 44 19 4 12 2 7
r TOT 62 12 19 12 4 15
y TOT 65 1 5 8 1 50
o TOT 78 3 46 9 15 5
i TOT 80 7 39 14 20 0
a TOT 128 11 46 20 44 7
e TOT 138 8 48 10 43 29
l TOT 272 50 0 58 74 90: l (lower L) came up 272 times - 50 times in first, none in second place (that is where I tried an L and got yellow) ... 90 times at end. (Since 272 > 236 I know 30+ words had 2 or more Ls).
Most common letters sorted last, so if I want to use the most common letters I could try LAYER though ROYAL might get more greens, RELAY might be most greens. Looking at where letters come up most...
I also look at turn one or two (with another analysis) to see if there are groups with only 1 or 2 letters changing where I could get stuck guessing the missing letters, like _ight, and get 6 or X'd. If so I favour more elimination before locating letters, I also will know what missing letters come up in any groups (often lower occuring such as t, b, m, n, r etc.)

Thank you. Interesting, food for thought. It is a different sort of algorithm problem from the sort I normally try to get my head around.