Sugar solution seperating - problem?

[Gilberdyke John]

Hooray! A syrup thread at last!

Imperial, stick to imperial.
1:1 is one pint water and one pound sugar
2:1 is one pint water and two pounds sugar

Metric does not give you the same concentration. It is nigh on impossible to keep two kg of sugar dissolved in one litre of water especially overnight when it gets cold and double especially if you are feeding with a 2 litre rapid feeder over a crownboard

It's annual entertainment. I've got a plastic measuring jug from poundstretcher. It has both metric and imperial scales so pints are easily measured.
Similarly our kitchen scales have dual scales so 1lb or 2lb also easy.
Folks are determined to make simple jobs complicated!
For what it's worth I pour dry sugar into a clean fizzy pop bottle using a dry funnel. Then when I have an array of bottles holding dry sugar then use the funnel to add the water. Put the tops on the bottles and shake well several times over a couple of hours until all dissolved. Add Hivemakers emulsified thymol mix to prevent fermentation if desired.
No need for hot or boiling water, just agitation and patience, hot water damages the plastic bottles.
Make up one day feed the next

 

[thorn]

one pint water to two pound sugar - that's simple enough isn't it? doesn't matter how much the water weighs
1 litre water to 2Kg of sugar is asking for problems, but if you insist on metric - 2Kg sugar to 1.25 litres water (which probably doesn't weigh a pound either)

It's simple, but sugar is sold in kg and most measuring jugs are marked in litres so by using imperial measurements you're adding to the overall task. It's far quicker to put a bag of sugar into a half litre of water, then add what Jamie Oliver, in his precise way, calls a "slurp" of water to the pan to bring it up to around 625 ml.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

It's simple, but sugar is sold in kg and most measuring jugs are marked in litres

Most measuring jugs I know are marked with both metric and imperial (even the pound shop cheapos) - as for weight - we have a thing in our house called a scales, the cheap ones have both metric and imperial, the more expensive ones have that and more.

 

[For want of a better word]

forget messing around with pints

2 two gallon buckets of sugar to one two gallon bucket of warm water.

We could use Moles..... someone with more time than I will now come back with the exact weights for a 2M solution... or whatever it is we need for 2:1

I mole is the molecular weight in grammes of the stuff being dissolved made up to 1000ml of tripple distilled water?

Chons da

 

[Gilberdyke John]

forget messing around with pints

2 two gallon buckets of sugar to one two gallon bucket of warm water.

We could use Moles..... someone with more time than I will now come back with the exact weights for a 2M solution... or whatever it is we need for 2:1

I mole is the molecular weight in grammes of the stuff being dissolved made up to 1000ml of tripple distilled water?

Chons da

The bees dont care. It's not an exact requirement.

 

[For want of a better word]

The bees dont care. It's not an exact requirement.

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Thank heavens for that... I have been struggling with the new syrup making machine... the pump ( even the new 1.2kW stainless German beast) struggles circulating 2:1... over heats and cuts in and out.... makes 200 liters a go though!! have added another pump.

Chons da

 

[victor meldrew]

I use I kg of sugar to 630 mls of water !
What’s complicated a out that ?


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[For want of a better word]

I use I kg of sugar to 630 mls of water !
What’s complicated a out that ?


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Nothing complicated.....
but that is thin syrup 1:1

using something approaching 2:1 as the Autumn feed... well as near as I can get it as a thick syrup!
50 liters of water and 100kg of sugar... nothing complicated

Chons da

 

[Beefriendly]

Nothing complicated.....
but that is thin syrup 1:1

Maths is not your strong point.
1kg of sugar dissolved in 625ml of water is 61.5% sugar solution. That is thick in my book...although I make mine even more dilute as I like to not have it recrystallize or take ages to dissolve.
1kg dissolved in 1 liter is thin in my book.

 

[Hedgerow Honey]

I had a stainless 250 kg tank made for me, two 25 kg sack of sugar + 26 lts warm water and stir using plaster mixer fixed on top bar similar to an extractor but at an angle so mixture circulates, ten minutes and job done, up to now no separation has occurred. I use the same mix whatever time of year, why complicate things and give the bees more work to do.

 

[For want of a better word]

Maths is not your strong point.
1kg of sugar dissolved in 625ml of water is 61.5% sugar solution. That is thick in my book...although I make mine even more dilute as I like to not have it recrystallize or take ages to dissolve.
1kg dissolved in 1 liter is thin in my book.

That 65% additional water makes all the difference

So why do the writers of beekeeping books refer to 1:1 ( Weak Spring feed) and 2:1 ( Thick Autumn feed) syrup mixes ?... all too complicate for a dysphagia sufferer like meself!

Where is the Snow fairie when you need him?

Chons da