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How do you know when the bees are fully fed? Will they police this themselves i.e. if there's a danger of over-storing such that lay space is insufficient they will stop?

when bees have capped all combs, then you kow that hive is full. You may look inside if you do not know.

Over storing to where? On the roof?

Hives need to be feeded full. Otherwise they do not cap the food.
 
Will they police this themselves
Some will, some strains won't (they simply go on making more space by brooding more than they collect!
Well, no it doesn't really answer my question (your post is still appreciated though) but then maybe there is no 'answer'. Your post does however highlight again the need for getting a feel of what is / isn't working, what will / won't be OK going forward; a bit of a general theme in bee-keeping.

I fed syrup yesterday and they've only taken down a small amount by this afternoon, they're still flying very well (it was 16oC here yesterday and very little wind) so maybe preferring forage?

Generally, I get the feeling they're doing as well as can be hoped for; I wish I knew how the frame of foundation I added a few weeks back is going. If this is filled then that might make a difference between good stores and just 'OK' stores for the winter. As I have no spare comb at the moment I'm a bit limited in terms of adding / removing frames to cater for space requirements this late in the year.

They hopefully know what they're up to so I'll keep the faith, keep hefting and see what spring brings...
 
when bees have capped all combs, then you kow that hive is full. You may look inside if you do not know.

Over storing to where? On the roof?

Hives need to be feeded full. Otherwise they do not cap the food.

But you can't know if you can't see and I'm reluctant to inspect frames this late in the year with strong winds, cooler temperatures. Mind you it was 16oC yesterday which isn't too cold to have a quick look. I get the impression however they are generally less happy about being inspected at the moment regardless of temperatures but that's only a suspicion.

Stores are capped before the frame / hive is full of stores so I don't understand your comment?

Also, surely the hives shouldn't be full of stores otherwise where does the queen lay to produce winter bees?
 
But you can't know if you can't see and I'm reluctant to inspect frames this late in the year with strong winds, cooler temperatures. Mind you it was 16oC yesterday which isn't too cold to have a quick look. I get the impression however they are generally less happy about being inspected at the moment regardless of temperatures but that's only a suspicion.

Stores are capped before the frame / hive is full of stores so I don't understand your comment?

Also, surely the hives shouldn't be full of stores otherwise where does the queen lay to produce winter bees?

you keep more feelings than bees.

After 49 beekeeping years I know quite well what I am doing.

There are two things in feeding hives in Autumn. Otherwise it is easy: just give them so much as they take dring one week.

Two things:

- all hives do not want to take syrup with speed
- some has so much brood that they cannot store.
Or three
- hive allready has pollen and honey when you feed them - how much...

It helps if you look with bath room balance the weight of the hive. You put the balance under onother side and weight "half hive".

My two box hive is really full when weight is 30 kg. 25 kg is enough but no idea to take a risk.
When some hives are full, 28 kg, some have only 18kg. - and note, half hive.

It means a lot more feeding. You may look inside, what is going there. You learn when you look. Bees stand a quick looking. Dont take brood frames up. It is enough when you see how much they are.

If the situation is so that you cannot feed because of brood, put a super over the brood box and fill the super for winter. Gradully bees emerge and they fill cells but it is slow.
 
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Bees are never happy about inspection. I never ask and even without asking they give stings.

But somehow you must feed them, are they happy or not. Capping of cells takes time two weeks or so.
 
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you keep more feelings than bees.

After 49 beekeeping years I know quite well what I am doing.

There are two things in feeding hives in Autumn. Otherwise it is easy: just give them so much as they take dring one week.

Two things:

- all hives do not want to take syrup with speed
- some has so much brood that they cannot store.
Or three
- hive allready has pollen and honey when you feed them - how much...
OK, thanks!
 
Again, it is this thing about specific calender dates. They have no place in my bee year, apart from counting back from the expected OSR flow start.

RAB - just picking up this one detail of what you said that I do not understand. Please could you explain. My hives find themselves parked next to 20 acres of over-wintering OSR, so I'm going to need to get this right next year!

Thanks
David
 
when bees have capped all combs, then you kow that hive is full. You may look inside if you do not know.

Over storing to where? On the roof?

Hives need to be feeded full. Otherwise they do not cap the food.

Plainly a difference between your situation and ours. If I feed my bees so much that the hive is completely full and all combs full and capped the bees die. No doubt about the increased loss rate from overfeeding. Seen and proven.

None of the important late autumn brood rearing, no 'heads in' clustering when it gets cold. Bad bad combination. UK bees in general do not NEED to be stuffed totally full for wintering.

Different climate, different bees.
 
Plainly a difference between your situation and ours. If I feed my bees so much that the hive is completely full and all combs full and capped the bees die. No doubt about the increased loss rate from overfeeding. Seen and proven.

None of the important late autumn brood rearing, no 'heads in' clustering when it gets cold. Bad bad combination. UK bees in general do not NEED to be stuffed totally full for wintering.

Different climate, different bees.
Newbie question: What is 'heads in ' clustering? Is it where bees go into empty cells to increase the heat in the hive, which they obviously couldn't do if all of the comb was full with stores?
 

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