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Here we go .... I was reading the bka news and there was a write up on how long it takes to be a seasoned beekeeper.' apparently ' after three seasons you are classed as a seasoned beekeeper .
Seasoned meaning 'experienced ' ..

What are your thoughts.
 
Here we go .... I was reading the bka news and there was a write up on how long it takes to be a seasoned beekeeper.' apparently ' after three seasons you are classed as a seasoned beekeeper .
Seasoned meaning 'experienced ' ..

What are your thoughts.

depends

Known some who have been keeping bees for decades who should really not be allowed near a hive without a responsible adult
 
No time limit at all springs to mind as you could have the same experience a thousand times rather than a thousand different experiences.
 
:scotland-flag: Whisky is matured in casks for at least three years before it can be called whisky, but the longer its maturing in the cask (up to a point) the more interesting and complex it becomes. At three years it is still very young, rough around the edges and often needs blending with other older more stable spirits to produce something good. A bit like beekeeping - maybe.
 
That was my thoughts exactly, time shouldn't be a factor
Perhaps more of a check list of things that the beek has achieved , and I'm not talking about qualifications or certificates .
@ jbm sounds like you've had a few sorts through your doors over the years.
 
:scotland-flag: Whisky is matured in casks for at least three years before it can be called whisky, but the longer its maturing in the cask (up to a point) the more interesting and complex it becomes. At three years it is still very young, rough around the edges and often needs blending with other older more stable spirits to produce something good. A bit like beekeeping - maybe.

That's got to be the best post ever !
A true Scots way of looking at it brilliant m ...... and perhaps a good way of looking at beekeeping as a whole
Thanks.
 
Depends
I have mentored a few and some folk are just naturals, intuitively grasping the art fairly quickly. Others are seasoned in a different way their seasoning is a pinch of salt, stuck in their ways and refusing to acknowledge progress.
Me? I’ve been keeping bees for 12 years and I still make silly mistakes. I can’t be bothered to make my own queens apart from those that appear by split happenstance. So my queen rearing skills are rubbish. But I don’t lose bees, I get honey and I can manipulate my colonies without killing too many bees. I do like trying new things, but not a Flow Hive or a Beehaus. :D
So am I an inexpertly seasoned old beek?
 
Depends
I have mentored a few and some folk are just naturals, intuitively grasping the art fairly quickly.

:iagree: had one beginner a few years ago, by the end of his second season we could trust him to take and teach a bunch of fresh beginners and never once have we felt the need to check what he's doing. My deputy apiary manager in his third season and probably (poor bugger) will take over my vacancy next year
 
. I can’t be bothered to make my own queens apart from those that appear by split happenstance. So my queen rearing skills are rubbish.

Give it a go Dani. I got into queen rearing a few years ago now and it opened a Whole new dimension to my beekeeping. I have no control over the drones but by selection and culling have improved the traits of my bees considerably. It is fun and a brilliant kick when you open up and see those new queen cells.
 
A skilled instructor makes all the difference in a person becoming a competent beekeeper in just a few years. When I started, I spent the first 7 years with little or no outside help learning by doing and by reading books about beekeeping. Then a beekeeping group was started in the area and I got to watch a very adept queen breeder manage bees. The difference in his behavior with the bees vs mine was eye opening. Getting some really good queens from him was even more interesting in terms of honey produced.
 
I can only second Drex on the whole queen rearing thing. 10 years fiddling with bees and this year for the first time I had a go and it opens a complete new avenue for me. Onwards and upwards - give me another 10 years and I too could be called 'seasoned' ( some would say' wizened'!).
 
Think it also makes a difference how many hives you keep. In terms of experience "hive years" is one measure, but trying to maintain a balanced apiary and noting the differences in behaviour from hive to hive also gives a lot of experience
 
You could probably pick a honey yield figure to measure competency. No one route fits all sizes.
 
You could probably pick a honey yield figure to measure competency. No one route fits all sizes.

It is very difficult to quantify 'competency' in beekeeping. I think competency is set at varying levels and is commensurate with what a particular beekeeper wants from their beekeeping.

Some people will be happy to keep a couple of hives, be competent in what is required to keep a couple of colonies healthy, surviviving and producing a honey crop that their bees provide without undue manipulation. They may have no need for extensive knowledge of such things as bee morphology, queen rearing and microscophy and may have no interest in growing their colony numbers. They may be perfectly competent to manage the colonies they keep with a fairly low level of knowledge, managing within their level of competence..

I think competency often comes in to question when beekeepers move too fast for their existing level of experience .. escalating hive numbers, manipulating to increase colonies, rearing queens and seeking the elusive masssive honey crop .. without the necessary competence and sometimes without the desire or ability to gain the necessary level of knowledge.

I think JBM hit the nail on the head ..and the reality is that some beekeepers cannot recognise WHAT they are competent to do and as a result end up with problems that, with a little more knowledge in advance, could have been avoided. Whether that knowledge is gained via a mentor, beekeeping courses, reading, or the internet matters not - how people learn is a very personal attribute. I think, sometimes, beekeepers try to advance their beekeeping without seeking out knowledge in advance and without 'on the job' training ...something that would be frowned upon in any other 'industry' be it agricultural or otherwise.

This applies to both new beekeepers and those who have been keeping bees for many years ... extending beyond a competency level without the required knowledge is potentially disastrous on so many levels.
 
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You could probably pick a honey yield figure to measure competency.

Mmmm, or maybe not. :D
I've tasted some fairly foul sugar syrup being passed off as honey, I'm sure that beekeeper's 'honey' yield was enormous! :D
 
That will teach you not to buy supermarket "honey"
From China? via Vietnam? transhipped through India? After being run through a ceramic filter to remove all pollen? Then mixed with honey from Australia to make it look like an entirely different animal?
 
Mmmm, or maybe not. :D
I've tasted some fairly foul sugar syrup being passed off as honey, I'm sure that beekeeper's 'honey' yield was enormous! :D

Can't believe anyone could pass off any quantity of syrup as honey and not get pulled up for it. Hope you informed trading standards.
 

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