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Point is, is the cost and supply and time spent fiddling with the vent system worth it? Bees carried out a cost/benefit analysis and told me it's not.


The openings are not so much for the bees’ benefit, but for the beekeeper’s. So, not necessarily an extra top opening, but for moving colonies or allow a drone escape when needed (and other manipulation needs).
 
Point is, is the cost and supply and time spent fiddling with the vent system worth it? Bees carried out a cost/benefit analysis and told me it's not.
I do not see a problem with them Eric..i know they are not needed but the Abelo boxes come with them as standard and i do not mind wasting five seconds of my life pushing the poly inserts in tight and letting the bees do the rest..however what i have found in this beekeeping hobby nothing will ever be designed to keep everyone happy as someone is always going to twist on about something..personally i love the Abelo/Lyson products and any miner problems that may occur i am sure i can quickly get around them..not that i have found any problems yet.
 
So, what do you do with the holes in the brood box over winter?

You need to take the original crown board off before you can add an Ashforth type feeder. When I remove them I add back a poly crown board all holes sealed.
I know some leave the feeders on all winter, but to my mind (rightly or wrongly) it's a bit like leaving your loft hatch open all winter.
 

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You need to take the original crown board off before you can add an Ashforth type feeder. When I remove them I add back a poly crown board all holes sealed.
I know some leave the feeders on all winter, but to my mind (rightly or wrongly) it's a bit like leaving your loft hatch open all winter.

Oh, sorry. I thought we're talking about the side openings.
 
Getting very confusing: side openings, roof openings, vented feeders and vented floors. All lead to the complication of what ought to be a thermally-efficient and simple system.

This tells, that guys do not know what they are actually talking. .about.. Even winter was mixed here with supers..

Original question was, do supers need extra side entrance. Are they usefull?
 
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Getting very confusing: side openings, roof openings, vented feeders and vented floors. All lead to the complication of what ought to be a thermally-efficient and simple system.

The hive is wonderfully thermally efficient - but, as with all hives, it depends on the beekeeper to keep it like that.

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Original question was, do supers need extra side entrance. Are they usefull?

Yes, it was.
 
The hive is wonderfully thermally efficient - but, as with all hives, it depends on the beekeeper to keep it like that.
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Yes, so it is.

I look the proper ventilation from the number of ventilating bees: are the too many or are they missing in the middle of warm day.
 
Depends which beekeeper you talk to.

Beekeepers? Probably do more harm than good.

Such nonsense.

Beekeeping is not so difficult lt as it has been said in this chain.

15 mm hole in the bee box.. I have a hole in every box but it depends on me, what I keep open..I do not need fluid dynamics or doctor Cheeley.
 
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. I have a hole in every box but it depends on me, what I keep open..I do not need fluid dynamics or doctor Cheeley.

Spot on Finman. It is great to have options. Some would prefer us to not have those options available.
 
Such nonsense. Beekeeping is not so difficult lt as it has been said in this chain.

Oh, but it is, Finman, at least for many in this part of the world.

Let's look at it from a UK perspective: the average amateur beekeeper has enough difficulty keeping bees alive over winter, recognising swarming, producing colonies strong enough to make a surplus, and recognising disease and stroppy bees. The low standard of amateur beekeeping in this country has been criticised often, and rightly so.

Although novices are made aware that beekeeping involves a permanent state of learning about bees, equipment and the environment, and although we explain and demonstrate the basics any number of times, the information overload can be alarming and confusing. What a newer beekeeper needs is to grasp the essence of the job, with the plainest of equipment, without much experience (and inevitably some disaster), and yet succeed.

Why complicate that recipe? Take a look at the thread here discussing the ways to use the original [URL="https://www.abelo.co.uk/shop/poly-hives-national/crown-board/"]Abelo crownboard[/URL]: it's been going for nearly a year and shows how £21 managed to answer questions no-one asked. It's all very well offering multiple uses of a tool, but to supply it without explaining the advantages only serves to confuse. Abelo must have recognised that eventually, and brought out another version with fewer complications.

Compare that to the BS National polynuc: it is as straightforward as any other, except that it has the option to be divided in two and that feed can be given in different ways. To make sure that these variations were understood and used, BS had the sense to supply a straightforward demonstration video. Without that, the average beekeeper would be lost, and onto Facebook or a forum asking what to do and getting conflicting advice.

You have the luxury of lengthy experience to deal with bees and equipment fluidly and variably, but the average UK beekeepers we come across often can't hold a hammer, don't recognise ivy though they may be ten feet from it, and want to go shopping while their bees swarm.

You're right: beekeeping ought not to be as complicated as described in this thread, but it has been made so. As Murox pointed out, Sevareid...said that a leading cause of problems is solutions, and it's fair to say that the crownboard problem and the entrance problem didn't exist until solutions were offered.
 
Oh, but it is, Finman, at least for many in this part of the world.

Let's look at it from a UK perspective: the average amateur beekeeper has enough difficulty keeping bees alive over winter, recognising swarming, producing colonies strong enough to make a surplus, and recognising disease and stroppy bees. The low standard of amateur beekeeping in this country has been criticised often, and rightly so.

Although novices are made aware that beekeeping involves a permanent state of learning about bees, equipment and the environment, and although we explain and demonstrate the basics any number of times, the information overload can be alarming and confusing. What a newer beekeeper needs is to grasp the essence of the job, with the plainest of equipment, without much experience (and inevitably some disaster), and yet succeed.

Why complicate that recipe? Take a look at the thread here discussing the ways to use the original [URL="https://www.abelo.co.uk/shop/poly-hives-national/crown-board/"]Abelo crownboard[/URL]: it's been going for nearly a year and shows how £21 managed to answer questions no-one asked. It's all very well offering multiple uses of a tool, but to supply it without explaining the advantages only serves to confuse. Abelo must have recognised that eventually, and brought out another version with fewer complications.

Compare that to the BS National polynuc: it is as straightforward as any other, except that it has the option to be divided in two and that feed can be given in different ways. To make sure that these variations were understood and used, BS had the sense to supply a straightforward demonstration video. Without that, the average beekeeper would be lost, and onto Facebook or a forum asking what to do and getting conflicting advice.

You have the luxury of lengthy experience to deal with bees and equipment fluidly and variably, but the average UK beekeepers we come across often can't hold a hammer, don't recognise ivy though they may be ten feet from it, and want to go shopping while their bees swarm.

You're right: beekeeping ought not to be as complicated as described in this thread, but it has been made so. As Murox pointed out, Sevareid...said that a leading cause of problems is solutions, and it's fair to say that the crownboard problem and the entrance problem didn't exist until solutions were offered.


I do not understand your explanation at all, that UK is different than the rest of the world.

I told, that I do not use upper entrance open in supers. Hives are too cold, if I do that.
 
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Finman Eric is being sarcastic or self deprecating regarding the standard of U.K. beekeepers. It’s that rather unique British sense of humour!!!
 

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