Paynes poly hive

[Bee Boys]

Sorry I do not know if I am doing the rong thing but I have two supers on the hive a super for stores and a super full of insulation. I got the hive new and I think the hive roof is a new thiker roof but mite be wrong. Thank you

 

[Erichalfbee]

Sorry I do not know if I am doing the rong thing but I have two supers on the hive a super for stores and a super full of insulation. I got the hive new and I think the hive roof is a new thiker roof but mite be wrong. Thank you

What sort of insulation?
If your roof doesn’t cover the crownboard it might pay you to tape the joint?
Personally I think a few mm of PIR over the crownboard is enough

 

[Bee Boys]

I have used kingspan that is about 2 inches thick.I am also using the paynes poly hive acrylic crown bord.

 

[pargyle]

Sorry I do not know if I am doing the rong thing but I have two supers on the hive a super for stores and a super full of insulation. I got the hive new and I think the hive roof is a new thiker roof but mite be wrong. Thank you

Are you using the standard Paynes poly crownboard and if so where have you got it located in the stack ? Is the super full of stores or are the frames empty ? It may be that you have too much space for the size of colony you have ... is the brood box a standard National or 14 x 12 ?

 

[Bee Boys]

Yes the crown bord is a standed paynes crown bord, I have the crown bord at the top just under the roof. I am not using a 14x12 and the supper is half full of nectar and sugar Syrip.The colony has 5 frames of brood and 10 seemes of bee ( frames covered thickly with bees on both sids).

 

[Bee Boys]

I am going to pout the super half full of stores under the brood box and get the bees to move it up in to the brood box and then remove the super.

 

[SDM]

I am going to pout the super half full of stores under the brood box and get the bees to move it up in to the brood box and then remove the super.

You can't under super on paynes hives without modifying the floor or super

 

[Bee Boys]

I have just bene tolled how to do it there is a new thread about it at the moment in the beginners section.

 

[Karsal]

I have just bene tolled how to do it there is a new thread about it at the moment in the beginners section.

I've had paynes poly hives now for six years. Always the same overwinter. Very few bees in the hive and they always condensate on the edges of the crown boards and water collects in the runners.
A water source for the bees overwinter without having to go out?
I close all my floors up with the bottom tray inserted and the gap blocked up with foam.
Doesn't seem to cause much of a problem.

 

[pargyle]

Yes the crown bord is a standed paynes crown bord, I have the crown bord at the top just under the roof. I am not using a 14x12 and the supper is half full of nectar and sugar Syrip.The colony has 5 frames of brood and 10 seemes of bee ( frames covered thickly with bees on both sids).

The crown board needs to be below the super full of insulation... if you can put the super of stores below the brood box that's fine they will move it up if they want to... Are your supers Paynes poly ones or are they timber ones ?

 

[Bee Boys]

Wooden supers

 

[pargyle]

Wooden supers

Ahhh - we get there in the end ... that's why you have water on the top bar wells.. the rain will seep under the Wooden super as there will be a lip because the poly brood box is bigger than a wooden super.

I would either make a hive cosy to go over the wooden super so that the rain runs off the cosy and not settle on the lip at the top of the brood box or invest in a Paynes super or one of their poly crown boards and put 25mm in that with the roof on top, strap it all down you won't get any leaks then. All my hives are Paynes polys and I've never had water like that on the top bars ... rain ingress... best not to mix different flavours of kit.

 

[Bee Boys]

Sorry I said the wrong thing
I at presant am using paynes poly supers, but I am going to move the frames from the paynes super into wooden supers then move that to below the brood box. I am planing to do this so the bees have less area to keep warm. Sorry for the confusion and the hasill. Thank you

 

[Beefriendly]

Spend 10 minutes with a Stanley knife and cut some rebates into the bottom super so it fits
Onto the Payne's floor....or cut the protusions off the floor.
And stop worrying all will be fine.

 

[Bee Boys]

Had a nother look afew days ago and found pink mold of 4 frames is this eney thing to worry about? I think it is from the water present.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Had a nother look afew days ago and found pink mold of 4 frames is this eney thing to worry about? I think it is from the water present.

I don’t know what your final conclusion was ( water ingress between the super and the brood box? Sorry I lost track) but there shouldn’t be mould on frames occupied by bees. If there are too few bees then they should be in a nuc box? I wouldn’t be closing any colony down for winter that had empty mouldy frames in there....... or am I misunderstanding again?

 

[pargyle]

Had a nother look afew days ago and found pink mold of 4 frames is this eney thing to worry about? I think it is from the water present.

Pink mould ? A photo would help if you can get one ...are you sure it's mould and not pollen ?

 

[Bee Boys]

It is defiantly mold . I think that the water must have been coming in between the super and brood boxes. There are at present 10 frames of bees coverd on both sides and 4 frames of brood.I think that should be enough bees to combat mould but ther is pink mould?

 

[beeno]

Hi Bee Boys, If you have the old style roof it needs to be pressed down firmly with a perfect fit onto the box below otherwise there is a small gap around the edge. I have one roof like this and I always visually check all the way around. If those pink spacers protrude above the top bars then assuming you have the old style roof then I would say the roof is not on properly.

 

[Bee Boys]

We have the new style roof and there are no frames in the top super gust insulation. Thank you though .