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Hi

I know this is an elementary question, but this is year 3 for me and to date they havent survived the winter, or showed any signs of going out of the brood box.

Im getting quite exited this year because they seem to be going well. I need to put on a 2nd super. Now does this go on top of the other, or next to the brood box?

Thanks!
 
yes thanks. I took a course but that seems ages ago and i forgot what they said.

I had been somewhat dispirited with my bees. I thought they had died out again this winter, but they were up in a corner of the brood box when I went to clear the hive out. Gave me a bit of a shock as i wasnt kitted up -and they werent too pleased to be disturbed either!!
 
Like you, i was unsure so stuck it on top, it has nearly all been drawn out now and the bee's are storing in it, so i guess they dont mind!
 
Newbee here but ... thought the new super went under the full one so you could use a crown board between them so you could get the bees off of the full super so you could nick the honey :D ... mind you im probably wrong lol :coolgleamA:

Lance
 
I put the new super above the brood box but under the full(ish) super. Bees still continue to work both supers.
Hive is ready for third super this weekend and that will go under exisiting supers but on to of the brood box.
 
well i looked in the books i got but they didnt say anything. obviously thought it was so elementary didnt warrant a mention. i'm going up too see them now. 2 days ago the super was soo heavy i couldnt lift it. am taking my rather unwilling hubby to help me!!
 
Taken from David Cramp practical manual of beekeeping

There are many theories about whether you should place only one box at a time and allow the bee's to move into it and, when it is half full, add another box, or about whether you should add the second box under the first or on top of it, or just plonk all your boxes onto the hive in one go.
I haven't seen any research on this but i have always found it easier simply to place each new super on top of the last and, usually, to place at least two supers on at a time. I have generally used drawn comb whenever it was available, and i usually put a comb of honey into a new super from the super below just to invite the bees up.
 
It's not too important really. However, I prefer new supers directly above the QX so I know the oldest honey is at the top.
 
2 days ago the super was soo heavy i couldnt lift it. am taking my rather unwilling hubby to help me!!

It sounds to me like you could take the full super for the honey and replace with a new one. Depending on how quickly you can spin the honey you could then replace the new, (temporary?), frames with the spun wets in a day or two. Otherwise it is thought by some that putting an empty super between brood and part full super leaves the bees with less distance to travel to put their new stores.

Chris
 
On top of the brood box bees dont like a space between the brood and the honey and will work harder to fill the gap
 
There is research but pre web so probably not about the on line datas.

It said that bees were stimulated to collect more nectar and pollen when there was space above the brood nest.

Hence super over the excluder and not over the supers.

PH
 
well i opted for the super next to the bb. wish i'd just put it on top instead.
Bees werent in good mood and didnt appreciate being disturbed. Next time i'll try what you say and put 2 on at a time.
 
Previous thread about supering.



ADDING SUPERS FOR EXTRACTED HONEY.
The actual operation is about the simplest in beekeeping: with the super ready on a stand beside the hive, remove the crown-board and put it over the supers; smoke once, put on the excluder, and lift the supers on top of it. Total time, about twenty seconds. If you are using a plain zinc excluder, you will have to scrape the tops of the brood-frames to allow it to lie flat—a job best done by firm smoking and one determined stroke per frame, rather than by many delicate strokes.

Estimating the right time and order for adding supers is more difficult; the advice used to be to super when the first crumbs of fresh white wax began to appear at the tops of the brood frames, but this is now reckoned as too late. Probably the stock is really only ready for supers when, on removing the cover-board (with only a whiff of smoke), you find bees at the top of the six middle frames.

The first super must, if possible , be of drawn combs and not foundation. Bees cannot draw out foundation until warm weather and plentiful nectar arrive, and if you insist on their doing so, will often swarm with ample room at their disposal – “room” which they cannot use.
It is now considered that the second, third and fourth supers may be added on top of the first and allowed to remain there. It is true that a super of foundation will be fully drawn faster if one puts it below the first super as soon as the bees have half-occupied it, but honey farmers say this is done at the expense of work in No.1 super, and that the overall work in a bock of supers is no better by this means than by “top supering”.

Snags:
Adding a cuper to early: the result is to drive the bees down from it, because of the loss of heat.

Putting a second super of foundation under the No.1 super without letting the bees start work on it in the upper position: this disheartens the bees and may cause swarming in the same way as giving foundation only in the No.1 super.

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Radcliff omits reference to pollen in supers which is a valid point that hivemaker makes. He also omits the benefit of top supering enabling quick checks with large numbers of supers (Hivemaker). I've got stocks on 7 supers that are quite happily in the top box drawing foundation.

The point about faster drawing when bottom supering (PolyHive) is mentioned but the caveat is that work in supers above is retarded as work commences in the new supers below and the risk is partially filled supers and consequent wasted space, especially when foundation is being drawn.

Hope this helps...

Just found this paper which compares top and bottom supering. It might be of interest...Top Supering vs Bottom Supering.http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Publications/EffectsTopVsBottom.pdf

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=66454#post66454
 
i see your on nationals...like me....if the bees are very strong and filling up the brood chamber with brood you'll find above the xcl in the first super about the middle 3-5 frames will be empty comb (no honey in) but there will be a large amount of pollen, in this case i always super above, if however it is capped with honey in put the super where you like :)
 
I asked this very question of a crustie the other day and he said if it's drawn comb it doesn't matter that much but if it's mainly foundation put it above the brood box.
 

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