Mono floral honey

[Curly green finger's]

@PeaBee morning folks just recently peabee posted some percentages of Certian honey types which was a requirement to make them one type of honey could you forward anymore details on the subject pls, I thought it would be interesting for all and me to read and learn more.
Thanks
Cgf

 

[Erichalfbee]

Peabee said it all really. There’s nothing else to add except to make sure you apply the correct interpretation
Read this
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228791971_The_R-values_of_honey_Pollen_coefficients

 

[Erichalfbee]

What do you think this honey is?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Coconut

 

[pargyle]

Although the principle pollen is Meadowsweet the honey is more likely to have come from the bramble and clover I would think. You have to be careful with pollen analysis as you have been saying.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Although the principle pollen is Meadowsweet the honey is more likely to have come from the bramble and clover I would think. You have to be careful with pollen analysis as you have been saying.

No. It’s Rosebay. See the pitfalls?
I thought it was bramble. Had a pollen specialist have a look at my honey and the analysis.

 

[Erichalfbee]

In fact this particular honey features in her upcoming book being published by Northern Bee Books

 

[pargyle]

No. It’s Rosebay. See the pitfalls?
I thought it was bramble. Had a pollen specialist have a look at my honey and the analysis.

That really surprises me ... although the Rosebay weighting in pollen terms is quite heavy (they are more interested in the nectar from Rosebay and the pollen is not easily transferred or collected by honey bees - they are very small grains) I would have thought that the huge presence of bramble and clover pollens would have outweighed the Rosebay and indicated that these nectar rich plants would have dominated the honey ... just shows how much I know and I bow to an experts knowledge. Live and learn. As you say - pollen analysis in relation to what nectar sources they find has pitfalls.

 

[Erichalfbee]

. As you say - pollen analysis in relation to what nectar sources they find has pitfalls.

Yes and my advice to Curly, even as a humble hobby keeper, would be to take his bees to crops where he is guaranteed a mono floral source and then he can be confident in his labelling. Leave the rest as spring, summer, hedgerow

 

[Curly green finger's]

Coconut

A hula hula, me and my man sitting under da tree, sipping da rum and relaxing to bob marley!
What about this one?

 

[pargyle]

Yes and my advice to Curly, even as a humble hobby keeper, would be to take his bees to crops where he is guaranteed a mono floral source and then he can be confident in his labelling. Leave the rest as spring, summer, hedgerow

Or just local honey .....

 

[Erichalfbee]

A hula hula, me and my man sitting under da tree, sipping da rum and relaxing to bob marley!
What about this one?View attachment 29454

You tell us.

 

[pargyle]

A hula hula, me and my man sitting under da tree, sipping da rum and relaxing to bob marley!
What about this one?View attachment 29454

Well ... that's definitely Coconut !

 

[Curly green finger's]

Yes and my advice to Curly, even as a humble hobby keeper, would be to take his bees to crops where he is guaranteed a mono floral source and then he can be confident in his labelling. Leave the rest as spring, summer, hedgerow

This is what I've dicided,
Spring honey, summer honey, Heather blend, Heather.
And I've labeled as such

 

[Curly green finger's]

You tell us.

Holly.
You would think it was osr, which was interesting because the sample was taken from our highest apiary and osr was 5 miles away

 

[Curly green finger's]

If it was osr it would of set like concrete but it stayed liquid for a very long time.
You can smell the musty Holly smell from the honey

 

[pargyle]

If it was osr it would of set like concrete but it stayed liquid for a very long time.
You can smell the musty Holly smell from the honey

All Brassica honeys have a musty smell .... I'd be astounded if it was holly honey ... perhaps some holly nectar in there but not predominant. The holly nectar season is only about 3 weeks at best and I rarely see honey bees on my holly trees - solitary bees and wasps mostly.

 

[Erichalfbee]

The R value of holly is 50
OSR is 150 which makes the percentage of each nectar 86% for OSR and 13% for Holly.

 

[Curly green finger's]

All Brassica honeys have a musty smell .... I'd be astounded if it was holly honey ... perhaps some holly nectar in there but not predominant. The holly nectar season is only about 3 weeks at best and I rarely see honey bees on my holly trees - solitary bees and wasps mostly.

I know the difference between osr, if you think where my bees are and the forage available there is loads of Holly up here, and last year which is when the sample was taken the Holly was covered in honey bees humming Infact me and the lad sat watching the girls working the Holly then returning to the hives.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I know the difference between osr, if you think where my bees are and the forage available there is loads of Holly up here, and last year which is when the sample was taken the Holly was covered in honey bees humming Infact me and the lad sat watching the girls working the Holly then returning to the hives.

Well then your NHMS analysis is wrong