Large Scale Honey production.. Viable ?

[For want of a better word]

why. You do not even know what is full langstroth.

Full langtsroth needs 25 kg honey. From where you get that?

From my Native Cornish Black Bees... that where from!!

Yeghes da

 

[Finman]

Please try to get some sleep before Sunrise ( about March 22nd ?)!!

intelligentsia!!!

 

[oliver90owner]

By leaving them in standard National deep boxes? point is to have them fill the 14x12 box - seen it done in the way I said, the little bit of brace comb is no big deal

Ok, OK, it was an alternative as the poster was short on ideas. Same as the others - and the last 'Or' was there to make him think I missed one and think of other simple ways to get his current bees onto the larger format frames.

There was no mention of double brood, finny. The poster was asking about changing to a larger frame format - 14 x 12 to be precise - not to langstroth, commercial or any other.

 

[BrianO]

Why not run double deeps in spring/summer single in winter

Deep equates to 14 * 12 ? Yes ?

That is if they would fill 2 Deeps ? "Maybe a big ask ... ? Do yours ?

 

[pargyle]

why?



Look Pargyle. He has many type hived and he is only happy about it.
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Why bring me into it ?

I only have 14x12 polys and a Long Hive (which also has 14 x 12 frames) ... I decided when I started out that 14 x 12 frames were the best for me and that's what I have. I had a few standard national frames in a Nuc originally and these got transferred into a 14 x 12 and the bees did exactly what JBM suggested would happen - they built a bit of free comb on the bottom and they got used as 14 x 12's until they eventually got moved out. No big deal ..

 

[Finman]

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There was no mention of double brood, finny. .

What special is in double brood, olive? If some one thinks to be a professional beekeeper, he surely not think, where he puts his excluder.

Does anybody know a professional beekeeper who keeps brood and half?

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[Finman]

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I do not know what is a large scale beekeeper. But I know that quite soon you come to the point that your store rooms and houses say that no more.

And to step forward you need large scale money. It is bigger issue than site of excluder.

Keep your wife in steady work!
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[Finman]

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Guys!

If you have 50 hives, or 100 hives, how much you have store room in square metres, m2
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What is the cost to build such store?

I know my rooms and my property. 30 hives is enough.

And you cannot store your frames into freezeners.
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Or to buy some old property with store houses and how much land?
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[foghornleghorn]

Deep equates to 14 * 12 ? Yes ?

That is if they would fill 2 Deeps ? "Maybe a big ask ... ? Do yours ?

I call the standard brood box a deep, I personally would think a double brood is better then a 14*12

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Deep equates to 14 * 12 ? Yes ?

no - 14x12 is extra deep or jumbo:


14x5 1/2 - shallow (or super as some would have)
14x 8 1/2 - Deep (standard brood box)
14x12 - juumbo or extra deep

 

[For want of a better word]

I call the standard brood box a deep, I personally would think a double brood is better then a 14*12

its the 1/6 gill thing for shorts.... I would call that a single !!

Mytten da

 

[Finman]

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Is it so that 12 x 14 area is same size as Langstroth frame?

 

[oliver90owner]

no - 14x12 is extra deep or jumbo:


14x5 1/2 - shallow (or super as some would have)
14x 8 1/2 - Deep (standard brood box)
14x12 - juumbo or extra deep

There lies a basic problem of understanding,by those that either follow information blindly or are not sharp enough to read properly.

The box details are from the relevant British Standard for beehive construction - absolutely nothing to do with any 'standard' box as they were all part of the Standard (it had a number attributed to it in a series of literally hundreds of British Standards over the years. BS12 referred to portland cement, per eg and 4550 to concrete, IIRC).

That standard simply defined three standard size boxes viz: Shallow, Deep And Extra-deep and probably the frame sizes which fitted each (leaving the appropriate bee space when stacked on upon another.

ANY box can serve as a brood or super. Clearly the deep box is favourite as a brood box, but equally the shallow is a brood box when used for 'brood and a half'. Some use deeps as supers (as well as broods). I have used extra-deeps as supers several times over the years.

So it is simply a matter of people not understanding that it is not a Standard National at all. It is a British Standard for a hive designated as 'National' for Britain.

Some have clearly not noticed that frames are designated as SN, DN and (generally) 14 x 12 beacause the frame size is the important part of the jStandard. The boxes were sized to accommodate the thee frame sizes, all of which used long lugs and measured 14 inches across the working dimension.

Super, simply meant a box over the Queen Excluder. Nothing else. A brood meant a box for raising brood. Very simple but very difficult for some to comprehend?

 

[Finman]

There lies a basic problem of understanding,by those that either follow information blindly or are not sharp enough to read properly.

The box details are from the relevant British Standard for beehive construction - absolutely nothing to do with any 'standard' box as they were all part of the Standard (it had a number attributed to it in a series of literally hundreds of British Standards over the years. BS12 referred to portland cement, per eg and 4550 to concrete, IIRC).

That standard simply defined three standard size boxes viz: Shallow, Deep And Extra-deep and probably the frame sizes which fitted each (leaving the appropriate bee space when stacked on upon another.

ANY box can serve as a brood or super. Clearly the deep box is favourite as a brood box, but equally the shallow is a brood box when used for 'brood and a half'. Some use deeps as supers (as well as broods). I have used extra-deeps as supers several times over the years.

So it is simply a matter of people not understanding that it is not a Standard National at all. It is a British Standard for a hive designated as 'National' for Britain.

Some have clearly not noticed that frames are designated as SN, DN and (generally) 14 x 12 beacause the frame size is the important part of the jStandard. The boxes were sized to accommodate the thee frame sizes, all of which used long lugs and measured 14 inches across the working dimension.

Super, simply meant a box over the Queen Excluder. Nothing else. A brood meant a box for raising brood. Very simple but very difficult for some to comprehend?

Very informative!
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[bpmurray]

There lies a basic problem of understanding,by those that either follow information blindly or are not sharp enough to read properly.

The box details are from the relevant British Standard for beehive construction - absolutely nothing to do with any 'standard' box as they were all part of the Standard (it had a number attributed to it in a series of literally hundreds of British Standards over the years. BS12 referred to portland cement, per eg and 4550 to concrete, IIRC).

That standard simply defined three standard size boxes viz: Shallow, Deep And Extra-deep and probably the frame sizes which fitted each (leaving the appropriate bee space when stacked on upon another.

ANY box can serve as a brood or super. Clearly the deep box is favourite as a brood box, but equally the shallow is a brood box when used for 'brood and a half'. Some use deeps as supers (as well as broods). I have used extra-deeps as supers several times over the years.

So it is simply a matter of people not understanding that it is not a Standard National at all. It is a British Standard for a hive designated as 'National' for Britain.

Some have clearly not noticed that frames are designated as SN, DN and (generally) 14 x 12 beacause the frame size is the important part of the jStandard. The boxes were sized to accommodate the thee frame sizes, all of which used long lugs and measured 14 inches across the working dimension.

Super, simply meant a box over the Queen Excluder. Nothing else. A brood meant a box for raising brood. Very simple but very difficult for some to comprehend?

All very simple really - a box for the queen & family, and boxes for the honey. And all this leads to quasi-religious arguments about the relative merits and demerits of various sizes.

 

[Swarm]

Only with some.

 

[oliver90owner]

All very simple really - a box for the queen & family, and boxes for the honey. And all this leads to quasi-religious arguments about the relative merits and demerits of various sizes.

No, not really. Simply a standard for three box/frame sizes. The two incorrect assumptions or misunderstandings, by so many people, are that size denotes use and that one box is called a standard.

A bit like in electrical circles where there are those that insist a cell is a battery which, patently, it is not. For the beekeeper, a frame of cells would be a battery? (Just something else for some to think through)

 

[Cussword]

Like I said, the name you give the box is dependant on what it's used for.

 

[Swarm]

For the beekeeper, a frame of cells would be a battery? (Just something else for some to think through)

No, it would be somewhere for prisoners to live, or the building blocks of some organism. More to do with English language and multiple use of one word.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

There lies a basic problem of understanding,by those that either follow information blindly or are not sharp enough to read properly.

The box details are from the relevant British Standard for beehive construction - absolutely nothing to do with any 'standard' box as they were all part of the Standard (it had a number attributed to it in a series of literally hundreds of British Standards over the years. BS12 referred to portland cement, per eg and 4550 to concrete, IIRC).

That standard simply defined three standard size boxes viz: Shallow, Deep And Extra-deep and probably the frame sizes which fitted each (leaving the appropriate bee space when stacked on upon another.

ANY box can serve as a brood or super. Clearly the deep box is favourite as a brood box, but equally the shallow is a brood box when used for 'brood and a half'. Some use deeps as supers (as well as broods). I have used extra-deeps as supers several times over the years.

So it is simply a matter of people not understanding that it is not a Standard National at all. It is a British Standard for a hive designated as 'National' for Britain.

Some have clearly not noticed that frames are designated as SN, DN and (generally) 14 x 12 beacause the frame size is the important part of the jStandard. The boxes were sized to accommodate the thee frame sizes, all of which used long lugs and measured 14 inches across the working dimension.

Super, simply meant a box over the Queen Excluder. Nothing else. A brood meant a box for raising brood. Very simple but very difficult for some to comprehend?

It might have saved a lot of the confusion if the various unit designation was SN, DN and JN.