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Istel

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Does anyone know of any good evidence about insulating hives in Winter? By good evidence, I mean something like a comparison between two methods.
Although most seasoned beekeepers don't use any insulation, there does some to be some variation in practice. By insulation I was thinking of anything from polystyrene under the roof, to sealing hives in a dark shed over the coldest spells.
 
The only evidence I have is that I use none and have never had a winter loss
 
Keep OMF viable for ventilation. I also put house roof insulation into bin bags and put over crown board (and fondant) and strap down.
 
Although most seasoned beekeepers don't use any insulation

Facts are difficult to come by, but is the above true? I am reasonably 'seasoned' but use it. Many of those 'in the know' use polyhives - they are well insulated! And some are running thousands.

I know that they will consume less food to maintain cluster temperature and that they seem to fare better with OMFs and overhead insulation (dry and low winter losses).

I know my Dartingtons were the earliest of my coloniesto get going in spring (espcially when insulated on the sides as well as the cluster confined to 'mid-ships'.

It may depend, also, on where you live and other topographical considerations.I don't like too sweeping statements, so could you justify yoursfirst, please?
 
Thanks for your replies.
I think that the replies so far illustrate the difference in views. The standard text books do not recommend insulation (that I have read); and clearly the practice of different beekeepers varies.
Hence my question - does anyone know if this has really been tested scientifically?
 
This was a bit of research done in Poland.

It is surprising that in Bcf group the development
of colonies overwintering without
insulation was significantly better,
which was not found in nor x cau. Similar
relationship was found by Bruder Adam
(1983) in the British Isles. In his opinion
the influence of low temperature on the
physiological processes of overwintering of
bees has positive impact on the springtime
colony development. The question, however,
why that phenomenon occurred only
in Bcf colonies remains still open. It may
be supposed that more intensive development
of Bcf colonies resulted from their
higher strength at the last autumn inspection,
yet it was not confirmed statistically.
The results of the author’s research are
compliant with the view that Bcf bees are
characterized by more rapid springtime development
than Middle European bees
(Hoñko and Jasiñski 2002). Moreover,
German researchers (Büchler 1998b) are
of the opinion that Bcf bees enter the
overwintering period very strong and that
their springtime development is very intensive.
To sum up, it may be stated that Bcf
bees turned out to be resistant to weather
conditions of eastern Poland, since their reaction
to adverse conditions during
overwintering was weaker than that of
nor x cau. No increased susceptibility to
Nosema apis and Varroa destructor was
found in Bcf colonies. In the autumn feeding
of Bcf bees, care should be taken to
supply the food quantity appropriate to the
colony strength, taking into consideration
the increased food consumption in winter
which results from the early commencement
of intensive brood rearing. Even
harder overwintering conditions resulting
from the lack of insulation did not adversely
influence the pace of the springtime
colony development of Bcf colonies, and
insulating the hive may turn out to be superfluous
as colonies that overwintered
without insulation developed better than
those with insulation. As far as
overwintering and springtime colony development
are concerned, Bcf bees meet
the expectations of beekeepers from the
eastern Poland, since just the satisfactory
use of the early nectar flow is dependent on
the favourable overwintering and intensive
springtime colony development.
 
I would suggest you add insulation until the level of heat loss matches that in an average tree nest. You wouldnt want to give your bees less than what they would get before mans intervention..?
 
Real data...

Derek M is your man for real numbers on the thermodynamics of beehives - he has been doing a lot of modelling backed by personal research and is preparing to publish a paper or two on the subject.

He did a number of workshops at the Hampshire BKA Convention yesterday on the thermodynamics of modern beehives compared to bees natural environment inside tree trunks - eye opening numbers especially on the amount of energy required to evaporate a super's worth of nectar into honey as well as the energy required to keep warm in sub-zero temperatures.

Makes a strong argument for super-insulated hives beyond current poly hive designs... Lots of possible fringe benefits could include the potential elimination of fungal infections and maybe even Varroa....

Simon
 
Lots of possible fringe benefits could include the potential elimination of fungal infections and maybe even Varroa....
Simon

I agree,that will be great, a new warm hive design that eliminates varroa and nosema.
 
Thanks for your replies.
I think that the replies so far illustrate the difference in views. The standard text books do not recommend insulation (that I have read); and clearly the practice of different beekeepers varies.
Hence my question - does anyone know if this has really been tested scientifically?

I must ask which of your "standard text books" --
1/ give citations for scientific research justifying their advice
and
2/ discuss poly hives?
 
I agree,that will be great, a new warm hive design that eliminates varroa and nosema.

let me clarify

I have not made any such claims but referred to research that show more effective grooming off varoa mites at higher temps... Having the bees able to engage in the grooming throughout the Winter, , should be benefical, rather than spending a large percentage of the time in cluster.
Having the bees able to keep all of the hive clean through the winter, Should enable the bees to reduce their susceptability to variety of diseases.

These are reasoned hypotheses but not proof.
 
Thanks DerekM and Hivemaker.
I would appreciate some further information on natural heat loss, if it is easy to post.
 
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Have you any evidence in UK that insulation saves energy in houses?

Have you any evidence in UK that clothes keep you warm outside?



At least we have...

Natural heat loss? Never heard
 
Does anyone know of any good evidence about insulating hives in Winter? By good evidence, I mean something like a comparison between two methods.
.

I have only experiences during 50 years beekeeping. No evidencies.
I kept 20 years poorly insulated hives.


If insulation saves energy 30%, it, means that when in uninsulated hives the colony lives 6 months (Sept to Feb), with isulated hive it lives to May, what is 9 months.

Every beekeeper here has insulated wintering boxes.

The idea is not to save sugar cost ( 1 euro/kg) but keep the hive alive to next summer (hive value 300 euros)

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I would suggest you add insulation until the level of heat loss matches that in an average tree nest. You wouldnt want to give your bees less than what they would get before mans intervention..?

What is the level of heat loss in an average tree nest?
 
What is the level of heat loss in an average tree nest?

How do you know that when you do not know the heat loss of normal hive?

All heat, what the hive produces, it escapes out. It is better to talk about food consumpion.

In our insulated hive food consumption in autumn is about 1 kg/ month. (out temp +5C to -5C)

When the hive has 3 frames of brood in spring, the consumption is 3-4 kg in one week.

My hives start brood rearing in February even if out temp is -20C. They rise temperature and consumption rises.

My food consumption in 9 months wintering is on average 25 kg sugar
 
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The measurements show that while a retail poly is substantially better than retail wood (a factor of two difference in heat loss) A tree nest is substantially better than at least one make of retail poly hive (which is surprising at first inspection) and most likely all current makes of polyhive..
 

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