Hungarian Beehives

[dodzylla]

Hello Guys/Girls Beekeeper mates!

I thougt mb someone ineterested in beehives, as much as me, i am a fanatic . So i want to share our beehive types, and frames with you guys. I try to write everything about them if you have any question about them, feel free to talk about it ! I will write about our most used hive types in hungary

So , here is the first one, our most used hive in hungary:

We call this Nagyboconádi hive (kaptár in our language ).

Size:

Size change by how many frames we use. Usually we use 15-16-18-24 frame in a hive like this.

Here is the frame:

Size:

Our second hive called "Hunor" , this is a "langstroth" like hive.

Its looks like this:

Size: (with 10 frame)

Frame and size :

And this is Fél Nagyboconádi Hive, ( half nagyboconadi) the frame is size is half of our great frame.

Hive:

Size:

Frame Size:

And this is a hive we do not like, we feel this is a bullshit:

This is the hungarian rotating Hive, you can read about this here:

http://www.imkerei.com/articles/us/rotating_broodnest.htm

Fast picture, if you got no interest in this

We use sometimes special frames:

we call this "hízlalt keret" :

Size:

 

[ugcheleuce]

We call this Nagyboconádi hive...

The frames have the same comb area as the German einraumbeute. Interestingly, the frames are the same height as the Danish trough hive, but they're about 1/3 wider. Wow... 19 frames! That makes this hive the same size as 3.5 British National brood boxes, or one 14x12 plus 3.5 honey supers.

Our second hive called "Hunor".

Same frame width as the other one, but a shallower frame. A single hunor box has almost as much comb area as a 14x12 (I'm assuming 10 frames).

And this is Fél Nagyboconádi Hive, ( half nagyboconadi) the frame is size is half of our great frame.

It seems that a single Fél Nagyboconádi box has 1.5 times the comb area as a British National super.

Am I close?

 

[dodzylla]

Thanks for your reply

Yes, you are close. Our beekeeping culture have a lot of roots in germany. Mb these kind of hives are not new for you, but its a good information about my country. Here in hungary everybody edit something in its own way. Only the frame sizes similar, but sometimes we make personal frames too. I think hungary is a little bit mad in "hive" technologies. Everybody make his own stuff, and develop something, but no one read about foreign technologies. Thats what i don't love in my country.

 

[BeeJayBee]

I really do wish that UK frame manufacturers would use single piece bottom bars.

 

[pargyle]

I really do wish that UK frame manufacturers would use single piece bottom bars.

So do I ... particularly as I am foundationless ...

 

[Hivemaker.]

I am foundationless .

I'm not.

 

[For want of a better word]

Nagyboconádi hive... looks a bit like the Uk Darlingtom monster.. is the entrance under the floor?
How do you provide for ventilation and insulation as I believe you can get quite a harsh range of weather in Central Europe... Hot dry Summers and very cold Winters.
Opposite to UK that has mild wet Summers and colder wet Winters.

Good information
Yeghes da

 

[dodzylla]

I use old towels, and old newspapers for insulation, but we can use styrofoam, and stronger plastic film, like on poly tunnels.

For ventilation we can tighteen the entrance when autum/ winter is coming

Our old hives was made from reed, close like to this, but with fewer wood, on these hives we don't used any insulation, because reed was awesome:

Anyway, our bees ( apis mellifera carnica pannonica) can survive winter very well. Our greatest problem is mould, beceause our weather is very dump here at my village. I live between 2 river, and a lot of lilttle lake

sometimes for queen rearing we use 24 fram Nagyboconadi hive. On that hive the insulation is a little bit harder because you have to work more.

The 24 frame hive is like to this

On plastic hives we don't use any insulation. For ventilation they got great ?blow-hole? at the bottom of the hive , Like these two hive bottom:

Pic is too great, i give you link for this.

Also sorry for the lot of picture, but sometimes i can't find the right word in english.

 

[boca]

It has been in use since 100 years ago. (before the SBB madness)
The entrances are usually on the lower part of the front.

 

[For want of a better word]

Many thanks dodzylla... excellent post!

I like the reed sided hive and the multiple entranced mating "Nuc".

Your English is very good... better than my Hungarian... or even my Cornish!!!!

Yeghes da

 

[ugcheleuce]

I find the joints used on this box very, very interesting.

My limited woodworking knowledge tells me that these modified butt joints (with those vertical slats) should be fairly strong -- stronger even than lap joints, without having to cut the joints into the wood.

Any comments from woodsavvy beekeepers?

 

[Madge]

... I find the joints used on this box very, very interesting.
....
Any comments from woodsavvy beekeepers?

I use those joints on my compost bin where I don't have to worry about squashing bees. In a hive I would find them awkward to use, but on the other hand, they will have the same benefit as the lips in Modern Beekeeping (Bee Box) hives in that the boxes won't slip when moving them.

I'm not a savvy woodworker, though - so can't comment on the strength.

 

[MuswellMetro]

I really do wish that UK frame manufacturers would use single piece bottom bars.

park bees of blackheath do, but you have to buy their pre made wired national frames (Sn4. DN4 or 14x12)

 

[BeeJayBee]

Not much use in a Langstroth

 

[dodzylla]

I want to be a woodworker beekeper too. I will buy my equipment soon, so I want to make my own hives. What I can say now, these hives are very strong, but need much more time to make them because of these butt joints.