How heavey is a poly hive?

[Poly Hive]

With or with out frames and comb Finman?

PH

 

[Finman]

Look, 3 boxes all together, used. No frames.

I found my 2 kg digital balance

langstrot medium (super) ....1,2

langstroth "Honey P old model" the middle of the walls thin 1,4 kg

same newer model, the walls evenly thick 1,6 kg

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Wall thicknes 40 mm. Hand groove 22 mm deep

thin areas of "thinned" walls 18 mm thick wall.

The insulation of poly is 10 times better than wood.
The thinnest parts of boxes are equal of 20 cm wood and thick parts 40 cm wood..

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[Finman]

If it's weight that's worrying you, a super full of honey or a full brood box is gonna still be heavy, little difference between wood or poly .. ie .. Still heavy.

nonsense! as we say, hölynpölyä

but if it is full of honey, the heavier the better.

 

[Poly Hive]

LOL How very true.

what I canna understand is the q is asked, an honest and accurate figure is given in a polite reply and the argument rages?

It makes no sense to me at all.

I must be missing........... a very stiff dram.

PH

 

[Alabamaeee]

I have poly supers and cedar supers. The poly supers when ready for extraction are just that bit lighter and more manageable, at least when carried for 100 metres over rough ground there is a noticeable difference

 

[Finman]

With 23 year experience I may say that there is a huge diffence between poly and wooden boxes.
It feels in the backbone when I lift hives. Changing bottoms, moving hives to outer pastures and back.

Ofter hives have 2 broods. Moist wood is really heavy to lift.

But the most important is the insulation value. Weight is extra bonus.

If boxes are heavy for example to women, they may use only mediums in their hives.
Mediums works very well as brood boxes. 3 mediums are equal to 2 langstroths.

Then the main issue is total weight, as said. 18 kg versus 30 kg in full honey boxes.

 

[Poly Hive]

The weight aspect is the least of the advantages, the primary one is the bees thrive better in poly by reason of dryness created by the warmth, and believe me bees love being warm, now where's my fleece... brr....

PH

 

[Finman]

I have poly supers and cedar supers. The poly supers when ready for extraction are just that bit lighter and more manageable, at least when carried for 100 metres over rough ground there is a noticeable difference

I situtate my hives that I carry boxes only 3 metres. I drop them from secan carry and then bees have duty to fly that 100 metres. If that is not possible I abandon the site. It is very important on outer pastures.

 

[TBRNoTB]

The weight aspect is the least of the advantages, the primary one is the bees thrive better in poly by reason of dryness created by the warmth, and believe me bees love being warm, now where's my fleece... brr....

PH

We have started the winter shut down! arguments, ahoy!

 

[itma]

We have started the winter shut down! arguments, ahoy!

So true.
Never mind what the new member was asking!

I’m looking to buy my first bee hive (poly) and is a difficult choice. Most is a lightweight, but I want solid made, for long term use.

All poly hives are VERY light-feeling compared to wood.
But honestly, weight (and specifically weight difference) is not the most important criterion for choosing between different "poly National" offerings.
And it may not even indicate much about durability.

 

[local_beekeeper]

Lyson: Floor, Brood, two sups and roof 35lb with full set of empty frames.

Swienty: empty, Floor, Brood, two sups and roof 6lb

Obviously the more dense the poly is the heavier it is as there is less air in it.

PH

They are booth National?
Why is it so big difference between?

 

[Poly Hive]

The weight aspect is the least of the advantages, the primary one is the bees thrive better in poly by reason of dryness created by the warmth, and believe me bees love being warm, now where's my fleece... brr....

PH

I thought I mentioned this already.. "yawn"

 

[Poly Hive]

Thirty frames for a start.

Density for a 2nd.

PH

 

[BBG]

floor, brood box, 2 supers and roof

Mod Beekeeping:

National:

Floor = 1.6 Kg inc varroa tray and entrance reducer.

Brood box = 1.9 Kg

Super X 2 = 2.8 Kg

Roof = 1.3 Kg

= 7.6 Kg Dense. Dense. Dense!

No frames

Weighed on electronic butcher scales as happened to be passing with Brood box in hand.

 

[TBRNoTB]

Mod Beekeeping:

National:

Floor = 1.6 Kg inc varroa tray and entrance reducer.

Brood box = 1.9 Kg

Super X 2 = 2.8 Kg

Roof = 1.3 Kg

= 7.6 Kg Dense. Dense. Dense!

No frames

Weighed on electronic butcher scales as happened to be passing with Brood box in hand.

A succinct answer at last!

 

[DanBee]

thank you, how heavey is empty poly national?

With respect, if you're worried about the weight of an empty polystyrene box, you're not going to be comfortable lifting any type of box with bees and stores in it.

Perhaps you might like to elaborate on the reason for asking? Many approaches exist to ease beekeeping for those who find the boxes too heavy.

 

[Poly Hive]

How many accurate answers are required?

PH

 

[itma]

With respect, if you're worried about the weight of an empty polystyrene box, you're not going to be comfortable lifting any type of box with bees and stores in it.

Perhaps you might like to elaborate on the reason for asking? Many approaches exist to ease beekeeping for those who find the boxes too heavy.

He has asked the question because he has the mistaken impression that weight indicates durability, and that that ought to be the basis of his choice.

I’m looking to buy my first bee hive (poly) and is a difficult choice. Most is a lightweight, but I want solid made, for long term use.

There are surely more important distinguishing factors than weight between the various different interpretations of "poly National" (which is what the poster seems to want).

 

[Poly Hive]

There are indeed.

Two main issues to consider really.

Is it worth paying a bit more and getting a better quality?

Is the unit I am considering compatible with timber units?

If you lock in to a non compatible type what happens of they change the design or go bust? an offer of timber ware at a very reaonable price is useless to you... and so it goes on.

The other issue I keep an eye on is what are the big guys buying and from who, obviously they get a better price by buying 500 at a time, but are they just buying on price or on quality too?

PH

 

[Swarm]

With respect, if you're worried about the weight of an empty polystyrene box, you're not going to be comfortable lifting any type of box with bees and stores in it.

Perhaps you might like to elaborate on the reason for asking? Many approaches exist to ease beekeeping for those who find the boxes too heavy.

Agreed, as I mentioned earlier before Finman called my post nonsense . Again I agree that the poster could elaborate.