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Google Wilteck Hydropress. 270 QUID AS I DESCRIBED
They are all made by a company in Germany and exactly the same model as the more expensive version.
 
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The sensible and gentlemanly thing to have done when you spotted that pargyle’s link was to the wrong piece of kit was to simply post a correct one?
As I'm on my phone I can't do that as I already explained.
 
Google Wilteck Hydropress. 270 QUID AS I DESCRIBED
They are all made by a company in Germany and exactly the same model as the more expensive version.

That will be THIS one that you suggested earlier then ?

"But even you should be able to Google hydropress and find the Vigo footgrade ones used by commercial fruit growers"
 
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Heather honey in my area only sells for a small premium above floral honeys ... I get £4.50/12oz for my honey .. heather honey around here only sells for £5.25/12oz ... nowhere near the £10 a pound you are quoting .. and that's GROSS selling price .. take off the jar, labels, processing time ...

QED

It’s the same here
I’d love to take just one hive and try for cut comb but nobody will pay for it
I do buy a bucket of heather most years just to be able to offer it at Conwy honey fair where it always sells but selling it locally? Forget it!
 
As I'm on my phone I can't do that as I already explained.

Thank you .. now I know the one you are talking about which is around £300 from Germany ... sellling for nearly twice that via a UK Reseller !!

Here's the link for those who feel that it would enhance their heather cropping antics ...

https://www.wiltec.de/hydropresse-20-liter-edelstahl-obstpresse.html

Not sure about the 'painted' collection tray though .. OK for cider which is going to be fermented and fruit juice which will be pasturised but is it really safe for honey ?
 
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Sorry to hear about the poor heather harvest in some areas and the degradation of heather sites. Interestingly ITLD was saying on his Twitter feed:

...it is not necessary for the heather to be managed. Many of our best places are never burned. Top groups are in old Caledonian forest. Tall heather, plenty shelter, long flowering period.

As we've seen in many things, what happens in one area may not happen in another. If I lived nearer to the moors I'd definitely have a crack at it but I'm in the flat wetlands of Cheshire near the Mersey valley.
 
It may be a 'doddle' but the fact remains ..and the point I was making - which you seem to be skirting around ... is that the investment required for a hydropress, storing the thing .. added to the buggeration factor of getting a small number of hives to the heather .. and the unreliability of getting a good heather crop ... does not incentivise me to do it ... and frankly, how many hives would you need to take to the heather to make it worthwhile.

Heather honey in my area only sells for a small premium above floral honeys ... I get £4.50/12oz for my honey .. heather honey around here only sells for £5.25/12oz ... nowhere near the £10 a pound you are quoting .. and that's GROSS selling price .. take off the jar, labels, processing time ...

QED

Yet another example of how what works for one forum member doesn't tally with what another member does or believes. :eek:
 
I can't help your customer base.
I'm currently at a Market in Middlesbrough, one of the countries most deprived areas.
Stock sheet shows 9 cut comb sold at £6/comb, , 10 x 8oz jars of HHoney at £5/Jr plus a load of SB and soft set.
It's peeing down with rain, so will be a bad day, but should take enough to buy another 270 quid hydropress, which is identical to the Vigo ones, should I wish.
This makes extracting Heather honey a doddle and is well within the price range of a small hobbyist

So if you can't get the prices for honey that i can get i one of the poorest parts of the NEI you might need to sell an extra super of honey to purchase one.
Now if you do not wany to get or extract or bother with Heather honey fine. I've providef some good advice to those who do and may not be aware of the hydropress and how little they cost.

Not sure why this causing some so much bother.
 
Not sure why this causing some so much bother.

No bother to me .. all I'm doing is putting forward a different point of view .. as Walrus has commented .. different areas of the country offer different prospects for beekeeping.

Northern values and the sense of real value when I'm in God's own county never fail to surprise me (bare in mind that I am a Yorkshireman)... when compared to the often penny pinching antics of some of the richest people in the country I see down here in the South,

In my area there are over 300 beekeepers within a 10 mile radius .. prices at retail for local honey are often little more than I sell mine for direct. I find that the prosperity of a customer has little bearing on their willingness to pay a fair price for locally produced honey ~ what sells local honey is the desire to have real honey, with a local provenance and a taste that is nothing like the blended stuff found in the shops. Once you hook a customer they become a regular but it's a fine line between what you can charge and what the market will bear. I'd sooner keep a regular customer than milk them and risk losing them ... as I was taught early on in my selling career .. it's a lot easier to keep a customer than find a new one.
 
As we've seen in many things, what happens in one area may not happen in another. If I lived nearer to the moors I'd definitely have a crack at it but I'm in the flat wetlands of Cheshire near the Mersey valley.

Lots of Cheshire beekeepers take hives up to Denbigh .lots and other sites.
 
No bother to me .. all I'm doing is putting forward a different point of view .. as Walrus has commented .. different areas of the country offer different prospects for beekeeping.

Northern values and the sense of real value when I'm in God's own county never fail to surprise me (bare in mind that I am a Yorkshireman)... when compared to the often penny pinching antics of some of the richest people in the country I see down here in the South,

In my area there are over 300 beekeepers within a 10 mile radius .. prices at retail for local honey are often little more than I sell mine for direct. I find that the prosperity of a customer has little bearing on their willingness to pay a fair price for locally produced honey ~ what sells local honey is the desire to have real honey, with a local provenance and a taste that is nothing like the blended stuff found in the shops. Once you hook a customer they become a regular but it's a fine line between what you can charge and what the market will bear. I'd sooner keep a regular customer than milk them and risk losing them ... as I was taught early on in my selling career .. it's a lot easier to keep a customer than find a new one.

:winner1st:
Much the same here in Cornwall.... honey prices are depressed by hobbyists selling off their few jars of hard earned honey at the small pop up markets where the "table" costs are but a few quid... and the people running the market are not too fussed about hygiene certification, public and product liability insurance, risk assessments etc etc..
..Unlike at the large food fairs and County shows where every thing has to be in place, documentation submitted beforehand and is subjected to close up scrutiny... and £600 an event is the going rate!

Even worse if you are selling gin!

As for a heather press... have one unused in the back of the shed that moved down from Surrey with me ... way back in the last century!
And it is Hydraulic!

Chons da
 
It's a fine line between what you can charge and what the market will bear.

Yes, but that line is flexible and it's up to the beekeeper to take the risk and nudge it each year. Prices seem variable in Hampshire, but the 454 jar still holds back prices and packaging is often dire. Here are a few to consider:

Ashworth Honey are selling New Forest Heather at £14/lb and in 114g at £17.93/lb; plain Hampshire Honey in 227g is £10/lb. They do make the mistake of selling in 454g jars at the weird price of £6.50 (playing to outdated expectations) and miss out on the benefit of the 340, as does the small-scale Hampshire Honey, who asks £5 for 454 because he's only covering his beekeeping costs.

Mrs B in Alton is asking £10.64/lb for New Forest Heather in 340s, but undersells like so many by using 454 for ordinary honey at £7/lb. Notice that from 200 colonies at 21 locations, 10 have sold out. Perhaps the website is out of date, perhaps Hampshire production was a disaster this year, but I'd bet that the giveaway price has a lot to do with it. Notice also that Tuppenny Barn at Southbourne in West Sussex sell honey from our own hives (although that tends to sell out very fast!) – and when it has sold out we supply honey from another local producer. They don't state the price, but if it's as low as Farmer's Choice in Fareham, where 227g is £3.70 retail, it's bound to go too fast.

Same story heard yesterday at Stoke Newington Farmers' Market in North London: the fisherman from Newhaven sells local honey in his Seaford shop in 454s at £8/lb; I suggested he ask the beekeeper to put it in 340s. Of course, at the current size and price, it was selling quickly.
 
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As I'm on my phone I can't do that as I already explained.

Yes you did
In which case why not link later and leave out the disparaging extras. All that happens is that you two end up throwing brickbats at each other and I get flooded with post reports.


Please can people try to be civil.

Thank you.
 
I am getting comments about my price this year. I am selling in pound jars for £6 whereas last year I sold in 12oz jars for £4.50. The price per ounce is exactly the same so it's got to be the perception around being under the magical £5 figure. Next year I shall return to the 12oz jars. People are so unanalytical.
 
Yes you did
In which case why not link later and leave out the disparaging extras. All that happens is that you two end up throwing brickbats at each other and I get flooded with post reports.


Please can people try to be civil.

Thank you.
Flooded describes our Farmers market very well today,,,,we eventually decided enough was enough and packed up early. Yes, I could have waited to post a link but was puzzled why a couple of posts implied that the £270 price tag I was quoting were incorrect and misleading. Which was why I gave the search term to use in google, it was the best I could do at the time.....and trust me I was being civil :D
 
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Cheers, when Pargyle mentioned he got £4.50 for his honey you replied....

:winner1st:
Much the same here in Cornwall.... honey prices are depressed by hobbyists selling off their few jars of hard earned honey at the small pop up markets

I'm puzzled, as earlier in this thread when I was talking about heather honey prices in North Yorkshire...
. And it fetches top dollar....mine sells out every year at £10/lb....what is there to dislike... I can't get enough of the stuff...:D

and you replied...
we get a lot more than that for our cornish black bee multifloral.... Best honey on the planet!!


So I'm very nicely and politely asking you which of your answers was correct and which was incorrect. I'd have thought Cornwall was ideal for getting over £10/lb for summer blossom honey. All those tourists and rich incomers from Surrey/Hampshire and similar stockbroker areas living there
 
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Cheers, when Pargyle mentioned he got £4.50 for his honey you replied....



I'm puzzled, as earlier in this thread when I was talking about heather honey prices in North Yorkshire...


and you replied...



So I'm very nicely and politely asking you which of your answers was correct and which was incorrect. I'd have thought Cornwall was ideal for getting over £10/lb for summer blossom honey. All those tourists and rich incomers from Surrey/Hampshire and similar stockbroker areas living there

All depends where we are selling.... we sell in metric quantities... somewhat more than £10 for 454g of Cornish Black Bee honey at the foodie events... but as I did say, the costs of set up and the requirements for bona fide public and product liability insurance,risk assessments etc etc would probably be prohibitive to the hobbyist with just a few jars to sell!
 
Thanks, I do the same as you and put prices up at the bigger foodie events, we go to £7 for 8oz/227g and £8 for about 6oz of cut comb. They usually sell well and claw back most of the admission price.
But those prices wouldn't do well on my regular market circuit.
 
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Glossop would be much easier for me I think, or maybe just north of Bolton. One day...

You should do it.
Heather honey is the crack cocaine of beekeeping.
Just wait until you open your hive and sniff that unmistakable aroma. Its a heady high smell of an impending harvest.
If you travel to North Yorkshire I'm sure we could fit a couple of your hives in on some of the moors we have access to.
 
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