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Well. It is good summer, but only problem in beekeeping is that hive is filled with honey.... Kill the foragers!!!!

well, yes Finny we're British! what do we need more than two jars of honey for anyway?!
 
Could you be looking at the wrong thing? The current generation of workers won't make it to winter, what you need to watch is the size of the brood. It might even be that you could do well to tap the surplus workers into a super of empty frames overnight, remove it with them still in it in the wee small hours and euthanase them, leaving the brood box safe and crewed. The reason for this is you don't need a lot of redundant mouths noshing the winter reserves for the next month while bringing nothing in, depends on the state of your honey flow too. It's the effect of the early spring bringing the flows in early, leaving us with nothing coming in and a month or more before they really settle. As we can't be certain of the same next year, perhaps it's time to do artificially what comes naturally: look on it as an extension to what they do with the drones anyway. Perhaps that should be the trigger for when to do it, they bounce the drones, they get culled themselves too.

Where on earth were you told to kill worker bees before winter? Did they also recommend matchsticks?
 
@Rahere; a honeybee colony maintains a constant temperature in a cavity with known thermal properties. Brood-rearing is highly energy-intensive. A bee "coching" with nothing to do in a colony is consuming almost no energy at all. A forager will never be sent out if the flight has an energy deficit (a few scouts may go out on such a route, but they will not "waggle" it).

Put all that together and you see that the energy consumption of a colony has nothing to do with the numbers of the bees you want to euthanise. They are only consuming stores if it is necessary for those stores to be consumed to keep the temperature up. In other words, if it is cold, house bees will have to eat the stores you are saving.

It also follows (and this is well documented) that insulated and/or poly hives increase yields.

I have one colony of very broody bees, and the hive weight falls during dearths, but that is a separate issue and I console myself with the idea that it is an investment in next season.
 
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Question was, how to add colony size before winter from 6 brood frames. ..3 brood cycles before autumn from now on.
To bigger colony wintering is easy, and then sping build up is fast and easy.

And how do you get more brood....colony needs pollen and foragers.
One box brood needs one box full of pollen. That is huge.


You all save energy, if you stop totally beekeeping.
 
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In Finland we have only one brood cycle left. It means that this day on the feeded larvae will be winter bees and feeder bees die off before winter cluster.
 
....It might even be that you could do well to tap the surplus workers into a super of empty frames overnight, remove it with them still in it in the wee small hours and euthanase them, leaving the brood box safe and crewed......



I've read some rubbish on this forum but this takes the biscuit...
 
....It might even be that you could do well to tap the surplus workers into a super of empty frames overnight, remove it with them still in it in the wee small hours and euthanase them, leaving the brood box safe and crewed......



I've read some rubbish on this forum but this takes the biscuit...

People will be wanting to know how to kill off a whole hive next!
 
Poster does not realise that most forage and stores are consumed for the purpose of brood rearing.

As posted above, the requirements for inactive bees is minimal.

Think how little honey is consumed by the winter cluster compared with spring expansion. Yes, there are more bees currently and, yes, they would chuck out the drones, but workers are the colony lifeline as soon as forage increases, which it should do, before the time for winter rest comes around.

Even if there is a dearth of forage (often is at this time of the year), they will still be foraging some nectar from somewhere in most instances - the problem is supporting the large amount of brood - and some strains just don't seem to recognise the time to reduce brooding levels.

RAB
 
Poster does not realise that most forage and stores are consumed for the purpose of brood rearing.

As posted above, the requirements for inactive bees is minimal.

Think how little honey is consumed by the winter cluster compared with spring expansion. Yes, there are more bees currently and, yes, they would chuck out the drones, but workers are the colony lifeline as soon as forage increases, which it should do, before the time for winter rest comes around.

Even if there is a dearth of forage (often is at this time of the year), they will still be foraging some nectar from somewhere in most instances - the problem is supporting the large amount of brood - and some strains just don't seem to recognise the time to reduce brooding levels.

RAB

To reinforce the above ...Theres a fair amount of energy goes into just keeping a full brood box warm even in summer and more if super is on top. It comes to around 100W - thats 0.5Kg honey equivalent per day.
 
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