forgot to add glucos syrup

[beeno]

Hi all,
Will it go hard as rock or can I still use it?

 

[IGPebble]

This thread could be taken in so many wonderful and imaginative ways,

 

[Dishmop]

Hi all,
Will it go hard as rock or can I still use it?

I'll ask the wife..

 

[Bob Bee]

Hi all,
Will it go hard as rock or can I still use it?

It depends more on what temperature you took it to, it will almost certainly be usable just harder work for the bees.

 

[beeno]

It depends more on what temperature you took it to, it will almost certainly be usable just harder work for the bees.

114 degrees celsius. It is cold now, but it has not gone rock hard? Will it be al right then Bob or do I have to think about water.

 

[For want of a better word]

Chrunch it up and add a drop of water plus the amount of glucose syrup you would have used re melt to 117 degrees?

My fondant often looks a tad crystallised, but the bees do not seem to mind !
If I am going to use it in queen intro cages I buy Dr Oetkers best unflavoured as I can never seem to get it so fine, and need to squish it down thin...
Good luck... remember ( as Big Cook used to say to Little Cook... IT'S HOT HOT HOT !)

 

[richardbees]

maybe putting on a bee cozy will help?

 

[REDWOOD]

Hi all,
Will it go hard as rock or can I still use it?

Never mind do what other reply said and re-heat and start again, it could have been worst and left the water out and had some toffee for Christmas

 

[beeno]

Thanks all,
It would appear that Bob was correct depends on the temp. It is still supple today. Will remember glucose though next time.

 

[Bob Bee]

lots of successful recipes for bee fondant don't use glucose syrup at all. It will be fine. Some of the supermarket Glucose syrup tubes are quite expensive as well, worth buying when there under £1 for 140gm but Ive seen them at £1.95 for 125.

Our association favoured recipe is:
Fondant Recipe (Winter Feeding)
4 parts by volume white sugar
4 parts by volume 2:1 sugar syrup
3 parts by volume water
Boil the water and slowly add the sugar and syrup, stirring until all is dissolved.
Keep heating until the temperature reaches 114°C (238°F).
Let the mixture cool, without mixing, and when just warm to the touch begin to mix again and allow the mixture to air, it should lighten in colour.
Pour into shallow dishes and save for later use.

No glucose syrup in sight.
I use some as it does seem to make a more pliant Fondant, but its not a necessity.

 

[itma]

Glucose messes up the sucrose crystallisation, making smaller, more imperfect (fragile) crystals - which makes the stuff 'softer'.
Try for it at a health food shop. Holland and Barratt sell it as crystals (containing less water than syrup!)
While you are there, get some Fructose as well. It sucks in water from the air, which helps prevent the fondant drying out. But the same thing means you need to keep your fructose well sealed up, otherwise it will turn itself into syrup!

// and yes, glucose and fructose are the major constituents of honey, so they are perfectly 'natural' things to include in bee food.

 

[For want of a better word]

Granddad used to put cream of tartar in his ( but not now recommended) never mentioned glucose, anywhere in his old recipe book ( or oxallic acid)

Oil of Wintergreen was recommend as a spring boost?

 

[itma]

Granddad used to put cream of tartar in his ( but not now recommended) never mentioned glucose, anywhere in his old recipe book ...

Actually the cream of tarter (heated with the sugar) would make some glucose and fructose (from some of the sugar).
But potentially it would make some not so good HMF as well - so no longer the recommended method.

Just add the glucose. (And the fructose! )

 

[Hombre]

Glucose powder is relatively cheap if you go to your local chemist, normally around £1.50 per kilo.

cake-stuff . com
Liquid Glucose up £3 from January 2012, but sugar prices have been rising as you will be well aware.

For queen cages I use marsh mallows - and very nice the rest of the bag is too!

 

[drstitson]

"Oil of Wintergreen was recommend as a spring boost?"

presumably the salicylate/treats prevents May disease (Mal di Maggio - ?toxic pollen)

in emergency for queen cages i use fry's chocolate fondant - just shave off the chocolate (and eat)

 

[For want of a better word]

Glucose powder is relatively cheap if you go to your local chemist, normally around £1.50 per kilo.

cake-stuff . com
Liquid Glucose up £3 from January 2012, but sugar prices have been rising as you will be well aware.

For queen cages I use marsh mallows - and very nice the rest of the bag is too!

The pink ones?