First inspection lots of drone brood

[Swarm]

I see natural combs every year. Nothing miracle in them..... Have I used natural combs... Absolutely not. To make one langstroth box natural combs bees need 15 kg honey. And then those drone brood. It us a catastrophe. There is no reason to use natural combs. A foundation sheet cost is 30 cents from own wax.

Young bees do not forage. That is very clear.

My hives bring 60-150 kg honey per hive in 1.5 months. I know something about bees and beekeeping.

Keep hearing this, talk is cheap .....

 

[birdsandbees]

I got quite a bit of drone brood in a couple of mine, Bees just gearing up and the queen laying up empty Drone cells from last year.
I like having Drones, especially in my good natured colonies, as already stated, what goes around comes around, improve neighbouring colonies so open mated queens of your own get better mates.

 

[Finman]

I got quite a bit of drone brood in a couple of mine, Bees just gearing up and the queen laying up empty Drone cells from last year.
I like having Drones, especially in my good natured colonies, as already stated, what goes around comes around, improve neighbouring colonies so open mated queens of your own get better mates.

That is real dreaming!

You have one splended drone hive and you are going to change the other 150 mongrel hives in the village.

What I have had hives, my good hives are returning back to normal mongrels after 2 generations.

But you do, what feels best.

I want honey from my hives, not drones.

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[birdsandbees]

That is real dreaming!

You have one splended drone hive and you are going to change the other 150 mongrel hives in the village.

What I have had hives, my good hives are returning back to normal mongrels after 2 generations.

But you do, what feels best.

I want honey from my hives, not drones.

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each to their own Finny, my main interest is the bees themselves, I get Honey too but that's a bonus.
plan to start Instrumentally Inseminating either this year or next so I will have full control

 

[Podilia]

And then those drone brood. It us a catastrophe. There is no reason to use natural combs. A foundation sheet cost is 30 cents from own wax.

Ok. How much does your honey cost? My honey costs $1,5/kg - the lowest price in Europe and maybe in the world . The price of so-called foundation (wax+parafin+pesticides+varroa treatment) is higher than you say, (I don't know exactly). But it's not just money for me, I don't want to have unknown substances in my hives. They are not going to make foundation for me with my several kg of relatively clear wax. Maybe later I'll learn how to do homemade foundation.

Nothing miracle in them..... Have I used natural combs... Absolutely not. To make one langstroth box natural combs bees need 15 kg honey.

1kg of wax=3,5kg of honey which bees consume making that wax. 15 kg/3,5kg=4,3 kg of wax in one lanstroth box, 10 frames. That's a miracle
I agree that bees can lose a lot of time and honey if they draw combs instead of foraging during the main flow.

My hives bring 60-150 kg honey per hive in 1.5 months. I know something about bees and beekeeping.

Including the honey which bees could eat in winter (six months)? You use only sugar in winter, don't you? Anyway that is a good result in Finland.

I want honey from my hives, not drones.

This is a rhetoric statement.

 

[Finman]

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When bees do 1kg wax, they consume 6-8 kg honey. We use 100 g/sheet. 10 sheets/1 box is 1 kg. When bees use heavy foundation, they draw cell walls half way with 100 g/sheet.

I sell my honey 10€/kg.

When I feed hives for winter (9 months), hive spends on average 20 kg sugar.

Winter food cost is 12 €/hive.


I renew every year 2-3 boxes frames/ hive. When I give my own waxes, the foundation price is 3.5€/kg.

 

[Finman]

1kg of wax=3,5kg of honey which bees consume making that wax..

Wrong information.

Canadians have made 3 year research in professional scale,
How much the package bees bring honey, if you give to hive

- mere frames
- foundations
- last year combs.

Natural beekeepers have never even accepted that such research has been ever done.

 

[Podilia]

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When bees do 1kg wax, they consume 6-8 kg honey.

I took my figures from a book which reffered to a scientific research. Maybe in your country bees consume more (twice) honey.(?)

I sell my honey 10€/kg.

When I feed hives for winter (9 months), hive spends on average 20 kg sugar.

Winter food cost is 12 €/hive.

I renew every year 2-3 boxes frames/ hive. When I give my own waxes, the foundation price is 3.5€/kg.

10Є/kg is a very good price. Other figures are almost the same here. Many beekeeprs don't feed bees for winter. There is no reason with our ridiculous 1,5$/kg to do such job. I feed 20-40% if hive is too light.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Wrong information.

Canadians have made 3 year research in professional scale,

Please put a link to this research.

 

[Finman]

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15 kg bees need honey per box, when they do their "natural foundations", cell walls and capping wax.

Many beekeepers destroy the comb value, when they do not have extractor, or they make candles from wax.

Many guys advice, that if you have crystallized combs, then melt them. So, destroy the voney and combs.

It depends, how you use calculations. I do not mind how you use your calvulations.

And then, if you do not use frames and steel wires again, you get more losses.

When I put together frame sticks, wire it with 4 wires, and fix foundation with electric, I can make 10 frames /hour. 10 boxes in 10 hours.


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[Podilia]

Wrong information.

Canadians have made 3 year research in professional scale,
How much the package bees bring honey, if you give to hive

- mere frames
- foundations
- last year combs.

Natural beekeepers have never even accepted that such research has been ever done.

We talk about honey (energy) or about time? Of course bees lose much time drawing new combs while honeyflow and they don't bring much honey. Do you see the difference? I talk about energy, calories, which are contained in honey and wax. Therefore 1 kg of wax=3,5kg of honey.

 

[Finman]

Please put a link to this research.

I have put it here many times. It does not succeed with phone.

Publication year was 1983.

 

[Finman]

Therefore 1 kg of wax=3,5kg of honey.

You can read , but you read wrong books.

I am a master of science in biology from Helsinki University.

When you look the losses in honey, you must count all the losses in generating wax and prosessing it.


For example when bees move syrup into combs, and cap the food, they loose 24% from original sugar in that storing process.

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[Hivemaker.]

I have put it here many times. It does not succeed with phone.

I want to see it again now, I don't have a phone, so okay to just put it on my computer.

 

[Hivemaker.]

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I can make 10 frames /hour. 10 boxes in 10 hours.

You can read , but you read wrong books.
I am a master of science in biology from Helsinki University.

That is incredibly slow for making frames...or does this time include cutting down and saw milling the trees as well?

 

[Finman]

That is incredibly slow for making frames.?

It is what it is.

I do not know how to do it faster. And I do not know what it should be.

I do not make sticks.

How fast you make in hour wax included inside frames?
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[Podilia]

You can read , but you read wrong books.

I am a master of science in biology from Helsinki University.
Publication year was 1983.
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1986, second edition, under revision of the doctor of biology. The researches were made in Russian Institution of beekeeping and Bashkir experimental station.

 

[Finman]

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I found a research picture from google "natural comb finman" . Press pictures. statistical black bars.

 

[Finman]

1986, second edition, under revision of the doctor of biology. The researches were made in Russian Institution of beekeeping and Bashkir experimental station.

In western litterature the number is 6-8 kg.

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[Podilia]

You can read , but you read wrong books.

I am a master of science in biology from Helsinki University.

When you look the losses in honey, you must count all the losses in generating wax and prosessing it.


For example when bees move syrup into combs, and cap the food, they loose 24% from original sugar in that storing process.

I understand. They spend 0,5-0,6 kg of honey for processing. Total number is 3,5 kg. They also need pollen, but the amount of it was unknown in 1986. If bees have abundant of pollen they don't need so much honey for wax producing.