First experience of vapourising OA

[Millet]

It is an offence not to record the details.
We should ALL be doing it.

The thing is D when i ordered my last batch of vet approved varroa treatment that killed brood from a online beekeeping shop i received no receipt and no batch number, how is any body able to record treatments if you have no information to record, is it just a case of making numbers up yourself..? .

 

[Tom Bick]

The batch number will be on the packet and it's hard to imaging purchasing something online there was no emails confirming payment, receipt of purchase, or invoice emailed to you.

 

[madasafish]

The thing is D when i ordered my last batch of vet approved varroa treatment that killed brood from a online beekeeping shop i received no receipt and no batch number, how is any body able to record treatments if you have no information to record, is it just a case of making numbers up yourself..? .

No receipt?
Credit card documentation, Paypal...even if you paid with your vast hoarde of Bitcoin,there would be a record.
Unless of course you paid by cash online...

 

[Millet]

No receipt?
Credit card documentation, Paypal...even if you paid with your vast hoarde of Bitcoin,there would be a record.
Unless of course you paid by cash online...

I don't use my bank account when ordering on line infact i do not use my bank for anything.. and i regularly clear emails to save a big build up, my last order online to Simon the beekeeper arrived without a receipt even though i stated on the order i require a receipt.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

The onus is on the beekeeper to prove he/she has used an approved product to treat.
Only an idiot wouldn't hang on to that proof.

 

[drex]

Of course we all use Api Bioxal at its grossly over inflated price, even if it does gunk up the pan of the vapouriser due to additives, rather than using laboratory quality generic oxalic measured out on scales accurate to 0.1 gm. !!!
At a bee health day run by our assoc last year with the area BI and SBI's in attendance I asked about use of vapourisers. The official line was that they were too dangerous, but on the side an SBI admitted it was his favourite method of application.

 

[Hivemaker.]

The official line was that they were too dangerous

How have they come to that assumption I wonder, how many people using sublimation in the UK have been killed or ended up in hospital injured by using oxalic acid sublimation on their bees.

 

[madasafish]

How have they come to that assumption I wonder, how many people using sublimation in the UK have been killed or ended up in hospital injured by using oxalic acid sublimation on their bees.

"I've got a cheap one, but it works fine. I have tried heating it beforehand and then tipping in the crystals, but I got a blast of vapour, which made me cough."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PolyHives/permalink/908014736027746/

Vaping with no mask...

 

[Hivemaker.]

The official line was that they were too dangerous

So why did they licence for use something they consider too dangerous.

 

[madasafish]

So why did they licence for use something they consider too dangerous.

Who can explain the logic behind the thinking it is legal to use thymol in sugar solution fed to bees to prevent mould forming but illegal if fed to bees as a medicine?


I assume they were born with a common sense deficit. or maybe that is taught to them?

 

[drex]

I think it was what was taught to them by Fera. If FERA seen to endorse a method, with inherent dangers, might they be held liable if somone inhaled the vapour? That is the impression I got.

 

[Beefriendly]

If FERA seen to endorse a method, with inherent dangers, might they be held liable if somone inhaled the vapour? That is the impression I got.

In which case FERA will soon be banning beekeeping in case anyone gets stung or even worse suffers anaphylatic shock!

 

[For want of a better word]

In which case FERA will soon be banning beekeeping in case anyone gets stung or even worse suffers anaphylatic shock!

anaphalaxis followed by shock ... God forbid.
Nos da

 

[coffindodger]

Who can explain the logic behind the thinking it is legal to use thymol in sugar solution fed to bees to prevent mould forming but illegal if fed to bees as a medicine?
I assume they were born with a common sense deficit. or maybe that is taught to them?

No, it's a bit of common sense, knowing the concentrations used by sensible people. Quite common to use different concentrations for quite different purposes, e.g. vitamin D used as a mouse poison.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Bought some Johnsons cotton buds today to use during instrumental insemination, on the pack it states... improper use can cause injury... got me thinking the home office ought to licence these things.

 

[Gilberdyke John]

I think it was what was taught to them by Fera. If FERA seen to endorse a method, with inherent dangers, might they be held liable if somone inhaled the vapour? That is the impression I got.

I wonder if they were involved in the usage of various chemical products in the horticultural and agricultural industries? There are some very significant inherent dangers with commonplace chemicals used.

 

[madasafish]

I wonder if they were involved in the usage of various chemical products in the horticultural and agricultural industries? There are some very significant inherent dangers with commonplace chemicals used.

Yes... bombmaking for a start...

 

[mbc]

Bought some Johnsons cotton buds today to use during instrumental insemination, on the pack it states... improper use can cause injury... got me thinking the home office ought to licence these things.

Lol
Though I was once told nothing smaller than my elbow should go in my lug ole

 

[madasafish]

"And if you don't wear a mask while evaporating you are taking a giant risk on your health.
Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.
I know 5 cases of OA-induced kidney cancer. All persons were professional beekeepers and started working with OA vapor mid/end of the 80ies. It took 5-9 years to get sick and only 2 more years to die including surgery and chemotherapy...
Accidents with formic acid seem to be bad but they have only short-time consequences.
Accidents with OA are much more dangerous because of their long-time working in your body."

http://www.beesource.com/forums/sho...the-Facts&highlight=oxalic+acid+cancer+kidney

 

[For want of a better word]

"And if you don't wear a mask while evaporating you are taking a giant risk on your health.
Not today, not tomorrow, but soon.
I know 5 cases of OA-induced kidney cancer. All persons were professional beekeepers and started working with OA vapor mid/end of the 80ies. It took 5-9 years to get sick and only 2 more years to die including surgery and chemotherapy...
Accidents with formic acid seem to be bad but they have only short-time consequences.
Accidents with OA are much more dangerous because of their long-time working in your body."

http://www.beesource.com/forums/sho...the-Facts&highlight=oxalic+acid+cancer+kidney

Were you refferencing this?
https://www.test-iq.org/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr8rrgPnj2AIVnaxRCh2g2AxnEAEYASAAEgKLYfD_BwE

Aspertame has been shown to be carcinigenic... but remains in most fizzy drinks... but NOT in 7 UP

Mytten da !!