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Tried to do an artificial swarm today only to get frustrated and call it a day. I could not find my unmarked queen. Fed up, might sell the bloody things. How do you find her, needle in a hay stack doesn't even come close
 
are you sure she s still there?
Were there eggs there?
As you say you were trying to do an as were there q cells?
 
I had same problem so used the method where you shake all the bees into the new BB, the only problem is you can chill the brood, but at least you can still perform the A/S.

Pick a warm day and put a blanket over the box with the cleared frames on.

Even better get a bee buddy to mark the queen for you!
 
Tried to do an artificial swarm today only to get frustrated and call it a day. I could not find my unmarked queen. Fed up, might sell the bloody things. How do you find her, needle in a hay stack doesn't even come close

why didn't you call me? ;)
 
A fair number of ways of helping you find the queen can be found here.

Split the hive into two, Leave it a hour, and all the flyers go back to the original site, that helps.

Brush the bees into the bottom box, put the brood above with a QE inbetween, that separates them a bit as all the house bees move up.
 
Yes there are eggs. Yes there are queen cells with larvae. So I thought it would be a good idea for an A/S.

What will shaking bees into a broodbox do? Surely she'll be harder to find in a big pile of bees?
 
The first thing is to establish that she is still there?

Upright eggs?

PH
 
Shake all bees into new BB add new frames QE on top, old BB on top with brood frames, crown board and roof. After 24 hours all the nurse bees will be in the top BB with the brood then just move it away and you have performed the AS as the queen and flying bees will be in the new bottom BB on the old site.. Simples!!!!

Just dont chill the brood!
 
Shake all bees into empty box. Put QE on, then old BB containing brood.

Workers move up to cover the brood, leaving HM and drones under excluder. Look after an hour or two.

Did it twice in one day.

Messy!
 
Many variations can be employed... My particular favorite is to use a frame containing a couple of queencells, a frame of emerging brood, a frame with brood of all ages and other frames taken from storage... one with sealed stores and the other with foundation that has been partially drawn. These combs go in a 5 frame nucleus box with extra bees shaken in... The nuc is then removed from the site to another apiary beyond flying range. The "small" hive has less occupied frames (The spaces are made good with combs from storage), but the emerging brood will soon bolster the numbers.

Dave Cushman
 
Ely?

You have some competent help offered locally is it not time to say yes?

A problem shared.....

PH
 
I should ask for help more often. I find it hard sometimes. Not been in a good mental state lately
 
Have you three brood boxes? - do a "Queen Not Found" AS

Hi Ely,

You are not alone, our local queens seem part racehorse and seriously alergic to light, so we often have to do this - and in fact teach it as part of swarm control.

What you do is take advantage of their little ways with a variation on the "shake everybody into the bottom brood" by doing an alternative "queen not found" AS. It does need a bit more kit, but it is worth the reduction in hassle.

a) Set a new brood full of frames underneath the main brood on the original floor.

b) Work steadily through the original brood box frame by frame. As you check each frame of brood place it in the third brood, which is standing to one side on a new floor. The nurse bees will stay with the brood and keep them warm and you can even place a cover cloth over to keep them calm and warmer.

c) Take your time to check each frame of brood. Your queen needs plenty of time to sidle off down the side of the brood chamber into the new one below. No way do you want her staying with the brood, so take your time to check every frame in case she is running round underneath!

d) Select one frame of brood from the complete set in the new brood chamber and put it into the new brood on the original site. This is just in case the foragers really do decide to swarm! If you are truly paranoid, make sure there are some eggs in it. That way, if the queen has doubled back, the emergency queen cell will save the colony.

Remember, you only have to split one of the critical three - queen, brood and foragers. Queen and foragers is best, but queen and brood is OK provided you make sure they do not starve.

e) Place the new brood chamber, with all the brood and nurse bees well away from the old location (10 feet is good). Then you can join the debate on how many Queen cells to leave!:eek:

Please do not go beating up both yourself and the bees because you have an athletic queen, they happen:)
 

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